Perhaps the point of LEOSA was missed to an extent. As a Safety Act, it is because over the course of a career, LEO's make alot of enemies, that don't go away when you retire. It's hard to imagine the Taliban trying to hunt down a service member after the combat action of the member is completed.
Not to take away from the service of armed forces members, as I am one myself.
The purpose of having qualified armed personel carrying concealed to maybe be at the right place at the right time to stop criminal, and/or acts of terrorism was a secondary consideration of the bill.
Furthermore, and I think relevant to this discussion is the fact that retired LEO's must annually recertify with their firearms with their agency, or a agency that allows retirees outside their jurisdiction to requalify to keep their credentials under LEOSA.
The point is they take away the personal responisbility for safety. As a gun owner you do not have reange cadre walking around with you to ensure you do not screw up. The rules have been like that forever because of the vast amount of folks that go into the military you wuld have plenty of AD's if it were not so structured. The rationale that military is trained on safety is correct, but the emphasis is on group safety...not individual.
I have seen ex military at the range and in abscence of an RSO they are just like the rest of the population...you have some knuckleheads while the vast majority or just fine.
You have to admit it is hard to have an ND if you do not have your ammo and gun at the same time except when you are about ready to fire. It real life as a CC'er you are responsible for a loaded and chambered gun while you are out in the public. That is a far cry from having an RSO walking behind you.
Too add to my last post: The military has to be anal about safety and I was not saying they should not. In fact they have to becasue a lot of folks in the military touch a gun once or twice a year so they are not use to using it. Why do you have to have PMI before the range? It is to make sure folks know the safety rules, do's and don'ts, and how to fire their primary weapon. If the folks are so well trainined in weapons and weapon safety you would think you would not have to review everytime you go to the range.
Tha is not a good reason to say military should have the same excemptions as LEO's.
Military with law enforcement training such as USCG drug interdiction might qualify however the minimum amount of time for a retired sworn LEO to be on active duty to qualify for HR-218 is 10 years.
I believe if this was to be considered an entirely new bill would have to be crafted for military personnel separate and apart from the LEOSA of 2004.
To all our men and women in the military current and past thank you for your service to our country.
Any citizen that passes the same qualification test that retired LEOs pass should have the same right to carry as do retired officers.
I was not talking about achieving LEO status, but in demonstrated firearms proficiency.
Guys, there is more to LEOSA than " firearms profiency" which seems to be the only thing that some seem to be keying on.
You can teach a monkey to pull a trigger. But the years of practicing and enforcing laws of the land, as well as specialized training in areas that are not directly linked to the application of deadly force, are things that are not taught in " shoot'em up " schools.
Actually, someone right out of the academy still has alot to learn. That's probably the reason for the LEOSA law requiring at least 10 years of LE duty as a qualifier.
It seems that there are some who are offended in the ego about not having this umbrella of the law. But regardless of what anyone " feels" , the fact of the matter is that until you have payed your dues, carried the badge, and continually placed yourself in harms way, learned how to handle the public, learn proper procedure for dealing with other Public Safety agencies, and had your family live under the fear of you not ever coming home the next morning, then you are not qualified.
Call it what you want, it's the law of the land, and all the sour grapes in the world will not make your feet big enough to fill these boots.
Those are fair points glockman10mm.
And the threat obviously is there since we get notified if a BG is about to get released from prison.
The point is to get rid of the stupid permits to begin with.