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This is a discussion on SUAREZ Defensive Pistol Skills Training within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by GentlemanJim I would not train with him. Jim Expound? Bad experience? Read a bad review? He was your neighbor and refused to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanJim View Post
    I would not train with him.

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    Expound? Bad experience? Read a bad review? He was your neighbor and refused to mow his grass?

    In all seriousness, it is not very helpful to just say "I wouldn't" without giving the OP (and others) anything to go on. For those making a decision and seeking info, negative input can be very helpful...if it's useful info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by drbald1 View Post
    Expound? Bad experience? Read a bad review? He was your neighbor and refused to mow his grass?

    In all seriousness, it is not very helpful to just say "I wouldn't" without giving the OP (and others) anything to go on. For those making a decision and seeking info, negative input can be very helpful...if it's useful info.
    Aside from his credibility and honesty issues going back to his attempt to defraud the citizens of Santa Monica (Yes I'm aware he has since found Jesus). There is also this.

    http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...efense-classes

    It's just internet stuff but I have spoken to a few eye witnesses I trust as well, and some real instructors too.

    It is my opinion that he is one of those instructors who is basing his success on the "cult of personality" as opposed to anything of real value.

    There are plenty of excellent instructors of good character out there. Why settle for the loudest one?

    Jim

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    Thanks, Jim. I'll do my own homework (of course), but that gives some perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanJim View Post
    Aside from his credibility and honesty issues going back to his attempt to defraud the citizens of Santa Monica (Yes I'm aware he has since found Jesus). There is also this.Anyone heard of gabe suarez? Read this before taking defense classes......It's just internet stuff but I have spoken to a few eye witnesses I trust as well, and some real instructors too.It is my opinion that he is one of those instructors who is basing his success on the "cult of personality" as opposed to anything of real value.There are plenty of excellent instructors of good character out there. Why settle for the loudest one?Jim
    I'm not able to view the link that you provided, but with all due respect, I'm not going into business with this guy, I'm simply attending a training course, which is skills based, and not even presented by Suarez himself. Others who have attended his training programs have had great things to say.
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    People change, but some can never let it go. I suppose those who criticize Gabe have never did anything at all wrong?

    I've taken two classes with Gabe himself and he is nothing like the internet rumors paint him to be.

    A few other classes and training group sessions with Randy Harris (Cruel Hand Luke on this site). I am signed up to take Tactical Medicine for CCW with Dr. John Meade in June 2013.

    All the training has been top notch and very much worth the price of admission.

    Who is going to be your instructor?

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    One thing about the net if I have a beef with someone I can write an article post it and there will be those who believe every thing I say. Truth be dammed, it's on the internet so it has to be true.

    As to Gabe and what is told on the net about him, he has posted his side and I for one believe it to be true. I see nothing that can be damming for life. Mostly what I saw was a power struggle and someone with power had a bone to pick. As to his training I have taking several class under other SI instructors and believe I got more than my moneys worth. SI has a different view of what is needed to be taught to those who carry a gun to protect themselves than others and has ruffled feathers on many instructors that I call target shooter instructors. But to each his/her own.

    I know where my training money will be spent.
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    I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I do like knowing where areas on concerns are, so I can do my own digging. Actions speak to character, and character goes a long way with me.

    I also believe change is possible, and want to give others the same freedom and opportunities to change that I'd like.

    It sounds like there are several who've had direct experience with his training company and instruction who've been happy. I'm sure there are others with the opposite. If I only hear one side, it's harder to make a wise decision.

    And everything I've just written is true. It's on the Internet.

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    He does have a lot of fans here.

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    Gabe only teaches a handful of courses a year and the rest of the SI instructors (including me) teach many......many more. Gabe use to be "the man" of Suarez International (SI) and now he is just one of the men that do a very good job instructing for SI.

    I know and have trained with most of the SI instructors and have never worked with a better group of guys. SI has over 30 Instructors now and to dismiss all 30 instructors due to not liking one guy does not make a lot of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanJim View Post
    He does have a lot of fans here.
    Not just here.

    With those 30 instructors Roger mentions, teaching at home and traveling, SI probably teaches more students than any other school in the country. Many of the more popular courses often fill up quickly and have a waiting list.

    That would not be happening if the training was crap.

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    As I said earlier, I have taken a few SI classes. As to Gabe, I don't know the man. As to his alleged runs in with the legal system, I guess I am not asking him to marry my sister. As to the classes, I have talked with many who have taken other national training courses, and frankly, I have no problem with them. However, as someone else said, many seem to be more along the lines of target shooting/bullseye work than down and dirty street defense which is what SI excels at. For example, the "modern technique" as taught by some consider "point shooting" to border if not cross over into heresy and the worst thing since the black death. Having taken the SI Point Shooting Progressions course, I came aways with a very different point of view. I am not interested at "winning at the games." My interest was and is a hard reality based program of instruction. SI has provided me with that and a great deal more. I have been doing this stuff for a very long time. When I took my first SI course, some of the things I was told and asked to do intitially went against the grain. All I was asked was to keep an open mind. I did that and came away with a very different pont of view. Maybe SI is not for everyone. So be it. I would suggest that the critics take a course from them if for no other reason than to lend credibility to their criticisms if they still exist after the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    As I said earlier, I have taken a few SI classes. As to Gabe, I don't know the man. As to his alleged runs in with the legal system, I guess I am not asking him to marry my sister. As to the classes, I have talked with many who have taken other national training courses, and frankly, I have no problem with them. However, as someone else said, many seem to be more along the lines of target shooting/bullseye work than down and dirty street defense which is what SI excels at. For example, the "modern technique" as taught by some consider "point shooting" to border if not cross over into heresy and the worst thing since the black death. Having taken the SI Point Shooting Progressions course, I came aways with a very different point of view. I am not interested at "winning at the games." My interest was and is a hard reality based program of instruction. SI has provided me with that and a great deal more. I have been doing this stuff for a very long time. When I took my first SI course, some of the things I was told and asked to do intitially went against the grain. All I was asked was to keep an open mind. I did that and came away with a very different pont of view. Maybe SI is not for everyone. So be it. I would suggest that the critics take a course from them if for no other reason than to lend credibility to their criticisms if they still exist after the course.
    I appreciated the open mind and now appreciate the positive comments.

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