Firearms not allowed at work, but we've been cautioned about a disgruntled fired empl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdunn217 View Post
    If it is not an illegal place to carry by law and only a work related policy stating no firearms, don't take chances and carry. Concealed is concealed.
    I don't know about other places, but in my state, if it is stated in the handbook, then the gun owner has been informed. That means that you're criminally trespassing.

    It just takes one "printing" or dropping your drawers in the john and thinking too much about the butt-chewing your boss just gave you (no pun intended), and forgetting about being armed before it goes "clunk" and someone sees it, or someone else seeing a bulge and their best friend, ex-boyfriend, father in law, cousin twice removed on their ex-sister in law's side, or someone else they know carries and they thus suspect it and tell a manager.

    Not only would you lose your job, but there could be legal ramifications as well.

    I'd think being caught carrying concealed is a greater chance than being in a situation where you can draw on a disgruntled worker, have a clear field of fire, know exactly what's behind the walls that the bullet is going to travel through if you miss, and know for a fact that no one will run across the space that your aiming through just as you pull the trigger.

    But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnferno View Post
    Right, but once you use it, it's not concealed. Obviously, I'd rather save myself and lose my job than to be killed or injured, but from a legal perspective, would my employer have the right to terminate me if I actually had to use it? I work in a corporate building, not a federal building or anything like that.
    While not knowing what state you live in, in 99.99% of cases, the answer is yes, they can and most likely will terminate you. While you may not have violated the laws of your state, you violated company policy and are subject to termination because of it.
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    Nothing to worry about. As a former employee he read the rules too. Certainly he wouldn't break them. Maybe you should ask your employer to post a no guns allowed sign to make sure he remembers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnferno View Post
    I work at a building that has multiple stories and multiple tenants. Earlier this week, a memo was posted inside of all the doors at my workplace that had a picture of a guy and to call 911 if he was spotted in the building. I called the property management to get more info. Apparently, he was recently fired and didn't take it well. According to our employee handbook, firearms are not allowed inside the workplace. Despite the fact that I have a ccw permit, if there was an incident where I had to use my firearm to protect myself or others as a result of this disgruntled employee at my workplace, I'm guessing that I'd likely be let go if there was an incident where I used my firearm.

    I'm curious what others would do in this situation.
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    Is the choice get fired or die?
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    Depending on what you carry(size, concealabilty),I probably would.Concealed is concealed. depending on your position at the company,(desk,Manufacturing? Nature of job? bending repeatedly? possibility of shirt riding risk high? low? Life much more important than job

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew03 View Post
    I would advise you to ask what steps the building's management or the former employee's company was taking to ensure the safety of the employees and tenants. Being that they felt the threat was real enough to post the information everywhere I would want some assurances that something besides the plan to "Call the LEO's if you see this guy." was being done. If that was the only plan in place I think I would carry discreetly and not mention a word to ANYONE, not even my best work buddy. Good luck and stay safe.
    Well, according to the new homeland security video, you should fight the guy with a pair of scissors.

    In addition to the comments above, I would encourage you to talk with the employer about why the rule is in the handbook, the process and procedures to change the policy, and the potential benefits to having those with CCW carrying within the building.

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    Ask your company what steps it is taking to ensure your (and that of your coworkers) protection should this guy come back with evil intent. Make them state what their plan is in such an event. Get it on record. Put the spotlight on the company to provide reasonable protection of its employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnferno View Post
    Right, but once you use it, it's not concealed. Obviously, I'd rather save myself and lose my job than to be killed or injured, but from a legal perspective, would my employer have the right to terminate me if I actually had to use it? I work in a corporate building, not a federal building or anything like that.
    Your job will be the least of your worries if you ever have to use your firearm in legal self-defense!

    Since you carry a firearm for sel-defense:

    1. Do you currently have an attorney on retainer or one that can be contacted in this event?
    2. Does you wife or family know who to call and what actions to take with respect to your defense and other firearms within your home?
    3. thru a 1000. Do you have a plan?

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    I'd rather be alive and recently fired because I chose to violate a company policy than be dead because I chose to adhere to company policy which infringes upon my ability to properly protect myself from harm.
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    I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but I didn't see it mentioned yet. What about speaking with those in power about possibly changing their policy - either permanently or temporarily, in light of recent circumstances.

    Can't hurt to at least ask, right?

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    I would carry concealed. I would not ask them to change their policy and draw attention to myself.
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    I'm carrying, not telling anyone. I was looking for a job when I found this one. Of course I'd have been doing this before the flyers went up too.
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    Big can of bear repellant about 15% + if you see him coming...hose him good. He'll be screaming in pain-it blisters a human really good. Wasp & hornet spray in the eyes will temporarily blind someone (hospital has the antidote) and shoots about 20ft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsmoke16 View Post
    Big can of bear repellant about 15% + if you see him coming...hose him good. He'll be screaming in pain-it blisters a human really good. Wasp & hornet spray in the eyes will temporarily blind someone (hospital has the antidote) and shoots about 20ft.
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