I tried, tell me what you think (long)

[peacefuljeffrey]

makes me wonder what other peoples views of acceptable gun control are on a board like this...I mean for the most part we all carry a gun so I'm sure we all think that should be legal, but I wonder about other aspects of gun control and what people here think are "reasonable"

I've been sickened to witness, on boards like this one (although not yet this one) a few denizens who clearly support their OWN right to carry a gun for defense (one even told of how he had drawn it and pointed at a large man in a parking lot when he felt threatened) but then seem to condescend to just about anyone else who owns or carries guns. I have read opinions about how it seems to them that so many people just don't have what it takes that they should be allowed to carry. Real elitist stuff. But for the fact that they own guns themselves, they might as well be written off as antis.

So I don't feel that you can really conclude that someone who CCWs must be just generally in favor of CCW.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[Janq]

...The two have nothing to do with each other.

+1

By the GunGuys' logic all pet cats, and dogs too, should be banned because animals with claws attack just look at what happened with Sigfried & Roy!

- Janq

[JimmyC4]

Don't waste another minute on them, spend your time at other threads in places like this, in gun shops or on the range.

Regarding the responses you received; to hear one person speak like that is frustrating, to know there is a whole group of them is depressing.

We can sit here and recite the logic that we all know is true and correct, it only serves to frustrate even further. I'll not stop back at this thread, not because I don't agree with anyone here, for I agree with you all; it's just that it's a waste of time to commisserate about those who will not listen.

Again, don't waste time on these people any more than you would on Sarah Brady. It won't change anything--you tried, so give yourself credit for that, now let it be and enjoy yourself.

[simon]

JimmyC..very well said! thank you.

[Bob The Great]

In the same year, there were 28,663 firearm related deaths in the US (of which 16,586, or 57.9%, were suicides.) This includes homicide (10,801, or 37.7%), accidents (2.7%), legal intervention (0.9%), and "unknown" (0.8%).

I wonder what "legal intervention" includes. LEO shooters only? or justified homicides/self-defense? That would be a good percentage breakdown to have in there too, if the data is availible.

[Daddy Warcrimes]

Criminals have tanks.

[sgtD]

Wrong wrong wrong.

The reason that criminals don't have rocket launchers or tanks is because such weapons are not suited for virtually any criminal enterprise ... I guarantee you that there are illegally owned rocket launchers in this country right now, and if terrorists want them they can get them.


I guarantee you can NOT name ONE SINGLE ITEM that is kept out for the hands of criminals and other bad people just by outlawing them.

It's a lot harder to create a black market for tanks and rocket launchers as well, not so for guns, booze and drugs.

[Lew]

LOL, is that a bazooka in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

[Only Glock]

Personal ownership of a gun represents a small bit of personal power. Anti gun people believe that all power (and all guns) should reside with the state, and individuals should do as they are told by the state. Anti gun people can also be called liberals, socialists or communists, depending on the fashion of the times. But they all share a belief in subordinating individual rights to the "common good". And they will determine the common good, since they are more enlightened and intelligent than the masses.

We're from the government... We're here to help.

[Only Glock]

To me, the anti's are worse than sheep. Sheep are ignorant (they don't know the realities of what dangers there are). Anti's are stupid. Stupid and dangerous. They are either 1) buying into the crap that the media spoonfeeds them, or 2) they are the "elite", all-knowing liberals, who think they know what's best for everyone (this enables them to hold onto their "elite" status).

Sounds cold, but the anti's should just keep up their beliefs. If they believe what they are saying, then they won't own or carry a firearm. When something comes to them in the form of a real threat, then maybe that will reduce the liberal population. Cold? Maybe... Do I feel bad about being cold? Not one bit. These people are as much a threat to mine and my family's safety, and the safety of law abiding gun owners and CCW'ers as some armed dirtbag on teh street.

<rant off>

Charlie

[paramedic70002]

I've been sickened to witness, on boards like this one (although not yet this one) a few denizens who clearly support their OWN right to carry a gun for defense (one even told of how he had drawn it and pointed at a large man in a parking lot when he felt threatened) but then seem to condescend to just about anyone else who owns or carries guns.:

Yeah, there have been a few times when I saw someone with a handgun that my first impulse was to take cover and call 911, because they didn't look like my idea of a lawful CCWer. Then I realize that some people may think I fit the same description, and that I am STEREOTYPING people based on previous experiences, societal expectations, and what I have seen on TV. Whether it be a minority, poorly dressed person, biker, whatever. It would be nice if more gun magazines would feature "alternative" models and experts instead of the same old white dudes (of which I are one, BTW).

[Cliffh]

Don't waste another minute on them, spend your time at other threads in places like this, in gun shops or on the range.

If we (responsible gun owners) don't communicate our thoughts, ideas and the (correct) statistics with them, who will? If we're lucky, one of them may be converted, if not, well... nothing's changed. Or maybe the seed of doubt just might be planted.

Along the lines of "criminals will always find a way": There was a piece on the local news last night about how some group in England is opposed to the use of traffic cameras to catch speeders. They're not shooting the cameras (no guns), instead they're blowing them up.

[P95Carry]

some group in England is opposed to the use of traffic cameras to catch speeders. They're not shooting the cameras (no guns), instead they're blowing them up

That's different - back a ways they just cut the buggers off with large disc cutters Now it's ''Boom'' huh - oh my!!

[Lew]

In my youth, I may or may not, have been a regular at the game "Binking". For those who do not know, "Binking" is a game played with a full size 4x4 with a cow catcher front bumper. "Bink" is the sound a stop sign or speed limit sign, makes when you run over it at 40 mph. The things people do when they live in EBF.

[TravisABQ]

If we (responsible gun owners) don't communicate our thoughts, ideas and the (correct) statistics with them, who will? If we're lucky, one of them may be converted, if not, well... nothing's changed. Or maybe the seed of doubt just might be planted.

Does anybody out there think you'll "plant a seed of doubt" by talking with a neo-nazi, or a Jiahidist at Guantanamo?

These aren't just fence sitters who watch and believe misinformation they see on TV, these are the people who contrive and cultivate the conspiracy of deceit.

That is NOT some group of sappy duck hunters, that is a front.

Your effort would be better spent going to DU of Kos and arguing with those lunatics.

--Travis--