Post By Mike1956
February 11th, 2013 10:02 AM
Question about rules of Open vs CC?
I have an almost meaningless question about Open Carry? If it has been debated ad nausea, please forgive me. In states that allow CC but forbid "printing" of your firearm (ie that you can see the outline of the firearm under clothes), would covering your firearm and intentionally printing the weapon be considered open carry? I know that if your are in a state that dis-allows printing, you can be cited for not carrying it concealed if it prints. My real question is if in states that allow open carry, like Arizona at age 18 but not CC until 21, could you cover your firearm with, say, a tight pullover sweater, and claim that it is open since it "prints?" I have no dog in the hunt, as I live in Tennessee where permits are "Handgun Permits", not CC permits and you can carry however you please. Just wondering for trivial knowledge.
February 11th, 2013 10:38 AM
Can't speak for AZ, but my guess is since the gun is covered, you will be considered CC'ing, though poorly done.
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February 11th, 2013 10:42 AM
An equally-meaningless question:
Which states allow open carry, but prohibit printing while CC'ing?
The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.
February 11th, 2013 10:57 AM
As I recall, AZ requires that as long as the bottom 2" of a holster is visible, the firearm is considered visible.
Can't find where I read that, so I suppose it has no more value than any other opinion.
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February 11th, 2013 12:06 PM
I am always wondering about stupid things like that. For example, I got a ticket at a red light camera. The car was registered to my wife, so the ticket was issued to her. I went to court and told the Judge that I was a witness and I would be willing to testify that my wife was NOT driving the car on the day and time that she got the ticket. The judge asked if I was driving? I said I took the 5th because I don't have to testify against myself. He said it was a clever argument, and threw out the $50 red light ticket but charged me $100 in court costs for being a smart A$$, which I also argued, (to no avail) is not illegal.
February 11th, 2013 12:21 PM
Nice! I'd take the court costs over a ticket any day. You saved your self some $$$!
As to your question, I am not up on other state laws for so specific a question, but in Michigan for example, printing is not a big legal deal, other than being inadvisable if your point is to be concealed. Open carry is legal here. Here's a theoretical test case that might be relevant to your question: OC is legal in schools here (but only with a CPL- go figure), but CC is not. How far do I think I could get basically CC but just trying to print the heck outta the gun saying I was open carrying? Not very far I suspect, if caught. In other words, I wouldn't try it.
Anyway, we don't fret here too much about accidentally exposing the firearm if it's a place we're allowed to OC. But a more important question is why would someone consider CCing if they weren't confident about not printing? I would advise this theoretical individual to adjust his method of carry.
February 11th, 2013 12:25 PM
I won't even try to come up with a trivial answer for that trivial question.
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