Carry at Church with adjacent school
This is a discussion on Carry at Church with adjacent school within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I go to a fairly large (small) Church, not a mega-church in Memphis TN. By that I mean 200 at each of the two services ...
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February 24th, 2013 08:40 PM
Carry at Church with adjacent school
I go to a fairly large (small) Church, not a mega-church in Memphis TN. By that I mean 200 at each of the two services on Sunday. I think there are 1000 members total. The Church has a preschool through high school. The Church and school are on the same property, but physically separate. The school is closed on Sunday. School enrollment is very small and preschool makes up most of the student body....
With that said I have a carry permit and don't feel compelled to tell anyone, Pastor or fellow parishioners I carry to Sunday service. The Church does not post any signs. I am under the opinion from the state laws public schools are off limits to carry permit holders. Not sure about private schools. Comments, Opinions or facts even better. Bottom line is it legal?
February 24th, 2013 08:40 PM
February 24th, 2013 09:00 PM
Can't help you, or vote in your poll. Church carry is currently prohibited in Georgia.
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February 24th, 2013 09:02 PM
Just stay out of the school building I would say. Not sure about the lay out but sounds like they are different locations.
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February 24th, 2013 09:10 PM
Don't know about your state. Wouldn't be a problem where I live. I always carry in Church, and I'm the Pastor
February 24th, 2013 09:11 PM
In Arizona, it's ALL schools, public or private. Your taking a risk. I would imagine that a LEO attends your church. If he spots it, and your in violation, depending on your laws and the charges, you could possible lose your right to carry ANY gun ANY where.
I'd make sure if I were you, and that's not asking a forum.
February 24th, 2013 09:12 PM
I don't go to church, but my Grandfather is a pastor and he has never had any issue with members of his congregation carrying during services. In fact... he encourages it with those he knows well.
February 24th, 2013 09:13 PM
Re: Carry at Church with adjacent school
Not sure about your state but MN it us illegal to carry within 1k ft of school. So in your case it wouldn't work unless you get permission from Superintendent and executive board of school.
February 24th, 2013 09:22 PM
What does TN law say? I'm guessing the answer is no with the co-located school. However, I do carry in church when I'm in VA
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February 24th, 2013 09:25 PM
I have carried concealed depending on location and or state, in church. Keep in mind in some states it is illegal by state law. As far as the school is concerned, in any state I have resided, the state laws regarding concealed carry apply to public schools. Any church run school I have seen is a private school, therefore may / do not fall under those laws. They may restrict weapons at their discretion apart from state law. As far as I have understood, If they do not prohibit weapons then you are good to go, but this may be a very good question for a legal expert in your state.
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February 24th, 2013 09:44 PM
(b) (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any firearm, explosive, explosive weapon, bowie knife, hawk bill knife, ice pick, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, knuckles or any other weapon of like kind, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution.
(2) A violation of this subsection (b) is a Class E felony.
(c) (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any firearm, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution. It is not an offense under this subsection (c) for a nonstudent adult to possess a firearm, if the firearm is contained within a private vehicle operated by the adult and is not handled by the adult, or by any other person acting with the expressed or implied consent of the adult, while the vehicle is on school property.
(2) A violation of this subsection (c) is a Class B misdemeanor.
(d) (1) Each chief administrator of a public or private school shall display in prominent locations about the school a sign, at least six inches (6'') high and fourteen inches (14'') wide, stating:
FELONY. STATE LAW PRESCRIBES A MAXIMUM PENALTY OF SIX (6) YEARS IMPRISONMENT AND A FINE NOT TO EXCEED THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($3,000) FOR CARRYING WEAPONS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
(2) As used in this subsection (d), "prominent locations about a school" includes, but is not limited to, sports arenas, gymnasiums, stadiums and cafeterias.
(e) The provisions of subsections (b) and (c) do not apply to the following persons:
(1) Persons employed in the army, air force, navy, coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard when in discharge of their official duties and acting under orders requiring them to carry arms or weapons;
(2) Civil officers of the United States in the discharge of their official duties;
(3) Officers and soldiers of the militia and the national guard when called into actual service;
(4) Officers of the state, or of any county, city or town, charged with the enforcement of the laws of the state, when in the discharge of their official duties;
(5) Any pupils who are members of the reserve officers training corps or pupils enrolled in a course of instruction or members of a club or team, and who are required to carry arms or weapons in the discharge of their official class or team duties;
(6) Any private police employed by the administration or board of trustees of any public or private institution of higher education in the discharge of their duties; and
(7) Any registered security guard/officer who meets the requirements of title 62, chapter 35, and who is discharging the officer's official duties.
February 24th, 2013 09:56 PM
there are a few members from other sites that have sent questions to the AG about this, he is pretty consistent in saying "if it aint spelled out it aint legal" so I would imagine he wouldn't be on your side here
February 24th, 2013 10:11 PM
Can't help you other than to tell you to check your local laws. In TX you can carry in a church. I can't as I am on the security team and the church's insurance will only cover carrying by LEOs. It is one concession/risk I had to think hard about.
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February 24th, 2013 10:23 PM
You can legally cc in churches in Delaware, if you are licenced to do so. If you ask permission, the church will probably turn you down due to them being liable at the point they grant you permission to do so.
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February 24th, 2013 10:26 PM
Harummph...Well I heard just recently "anything not specifically specified as being unlawful IS Lawful." Now that is Plain English Not LEGALESE which by the way I do not speak.
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Personally I think what that AG in HemiCoupl's post is full of MALARKEY. But that's just me. The OP of this thread needs to check the laws of his state or consult an HONEST attorney for the answers he seeks.
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February 24th, 2013 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by NONAME762
I posted the law, the comment about the AG was opinion on my part
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