BAD: Armed victim shot by police while attempting to be forcibly disarmed

BAD: Armed victim shot by police while attempting to be forcibly disarmed

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    BAD: Armed victim shot by police while attempting to be forcibly disarmed

    North Austin Man Killed In Police Shooting - keyetv.com Austin News, Weather, Traffic KEYE-TV Austin - Top Stories

    When the officer tried to reach for the gun to secure it the man stepped back and pulled the gun out and pointed it at the officer – who then shot the man, according to Acevedo.
    Details are still a bit sketchy. A man was attacked by a dog on his property. He put down the dog with a handgun and informed the police of his actions. The responding officer requested he put away his handgun. Man refused, he is on his private property. The officer attempts to forcibly disarm victim, the victim points his handgun at the officer. The rest is obvious.

    I hope there is a dash cam of the incident. In the mean time, right or wrong you may want to put away weapons when talking to police.
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    If anyone has any follow-up info, please post. It will be interesting to see what the man's real 'condition' was. I can only assume that the LEO had a good reason, as I would not personally want to be precieved as threatening an LEO in that situation...............?
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    Whats with all these idiots. When a Officer ask you to put your weapon away just do it. If you are smart about it, things like this wouldn't happen.
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    "When the officer tried to reach for the gun to secure it the man stepped back and pulled the gun out and pointed it at the officer – who then shot the man, according to Acevedo."

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    Maybe a better idea wouldve been for the officer to step back from the situation and say he will not talk to him until he puts his weapon away. If it was truly a "lungeing" grab for his weapon, well, I think we all know how we feel and how to react to *anyone* grabbing for your weapon while its holstered. Ugly situation all around. Though it could be an argument for assault against the officer.
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    If it had of been me and I'd just shot and killed a dog I'd holster my gun and wait on the porch w/my door locked. Near as I can recollect I've spoken to an officer just 3 times when they knew I was armed and I used my Common Sense and it went well each time. On My Property I can get pretty adamant about who can be and who is trespassing when I'm outside. All that goes RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW when a cop shows up. I'm taking the 5th from here on.
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    Put it away? The gun was in his waistband, on his own property, not a threat to the officer untill the officer was trying to take the man's gun. MY way of thinking is the gun was put away, same as if was in a holster.
    Really? You going to disarm me on my own property?
    Maybe there is more to this story that is being left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGadgets View Post
    Put it away? The gun was in his waistband, on his own property, not a threat to the officer untill the officer was trying to take the man's gun. MY way of thinking is the gun was put away, same as if was in a holster.
    Really? You going to disarm me on my own property?
    Maybe there is more to this story that is being left out.
    Thats all fine. But the idiot pointed the gun at officer according to article. That was mistake numero UNO!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenZ View Post
    Thats all fine. But the idiot pointed the gun at officer according to article. That was mistake numero UNO!!!
    I read on the Austin Stateman's website that a witness saw both the officer and deceased pointing weapons at eachother before the officer shot....
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    Cop or no cop, you point a gun at someone you can expect to get shot.
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    There has to be more to this story then we know now. I would not be happy about someone trying to forcibly disarm me. But why would the LEO lunge at the man to try to disarm him? What do we not know yet.
    And just because he is an LEO, does not make him right all the time. And yes I do have LEO's in my family. They are human just like the rest of us.
    Sad that this happened.

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    If as reported ...

    Quote Originally Posted by rigel42 View Post
    In the mean time, right or wrong you may want to put away weapons when talking to police.
    Exactly. At minimum, you put the weapon down when asked to do so by police. That's a request you don't refuse, unless you want to have it forcibly taken from you and to risk this sort of outcome.

    I agree that it sounds like there's more occurring there than was reported. Can't imagine why any upstanding person wouldn't simply follow the instructions once the police arrived, if there was only a downed dog and one was sitting on his own porch awaiting the cavalry. Makes no sense, unless the person wasn't upstanding, had ugly 'priors,' or was in the wrong and knew it. Though, that's all speculation.
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    Seems pretty clear to me. Video says the guy called 911 after shooting the dog and the dispatcher asked him to put the gun away inside as police respond. LEO gets there, see's the gun in his waistband, ask's the man to surrender the weapon, The man refused and pulled it from his waistband and pointed it at the officer forcing LEO to draw his own gun and shot the man twice. What did he think would happen? Sounds like the man was a little looney to me.
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    It makes no difference if the victim here was right or wrong...now he's dead...don't refuse LE orders to disarm and don't point a gun at a cop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenZ View Post
    Thats all fine. But the idiot pointed the gun at officer according to article. That was mistake numero UNO!!!
    Pointed a gun according to the officer that shot him.... with no known proof. Wouldn't be the first time an officer lied to protect himself after a shooting. I tend to believe the officers in such situations, but that doesn't mean there isn't a healthy dose of skepticism as I'm a realist.


    Infact, it's just as likely (actually, MORE likely) that the man didn't intend to point the gun at the officer, but reached for it in his waistband a tad bit too fast (still being amped on adrenaline) , scared the officer (who himself is amped due to responding to a shooting), who then opened fire.



    C'mon guys, 2 women were shot for nothing other than driving a pickup in LA last month. It's not as if stuff doesn't just happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linuss View Post
    It's not as if stuff doesn't just happen.
    And sometimes it is just what it seems. A man refusing a lawful order, pointing a gun, and getting shot. At this point, everything else is pure supposition, and pretty well meaningless. Most frequently, the cop is in the right.

    Most municipalities really frown on shooting dogs, even on your own property, unless it is attacking livestock or people. The preferred response to a dog is calling animal control.
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