Gunshot - 80-95% chance of survival

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    Gunshot - 80-95% chance of survival

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/ny...hot.html?_r=2&

    While surviving numerous gunshots could be a miraculous feat, doctors who have treated gunshot victims say that being shot is not automatically a death sentence.

    When major organs the heart and brain especially and blood vessels are avoided, the chances of survival are good, they said. The catch, of course, is that there is no science to preventing a bullet from hitting a vital part of the body.
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    So, the Times' solution to the problem is simple, "Don't get shot in a vital area, and you'll be fine."

    Of course that suggestion is unnecessary in New York, Chicago, or DC, since no one is supposed to have guns, anyway.
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    When I started in law enforcement an old veteran street officer told me, "You're just filling them full of holes till you hit something worth shootin'." .....He was right.....
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    If the BG is in the hospital recovering, he is no longer shooting at me....just sayin
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    My firearms instructor used the 80% figure and said even if the bad guy manages to hit you, the odds are still in your favor, so DON'T STOP until the threat is stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksgunner View Post
    If the BG is in the hospital recovering, he is no longer shooting at me....just sayin
    THAT is the point of the post. Even if you get hit....fight until the lights go out.

    And always remember a single shot is not as good as two on the bad guy.

    Our objective of course is not to kill. I am not an executioner. The idea is to stop the threat.
    However a single shot to the bad guy means he has an 80% chance of continuing to fight.

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    Anybody that needs to be shot deserves to be shot more than once anyway.

    I'm not an executioner, but I wont lie here either. Knowing the system of so called "justice" that prevailes these days, at least if the perp died, you wouldnt have to be looking over your shoulder the rest of your life.
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    Gunshot - 80-95% chance of survival

    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Anybody that needs to be shot deserves to be shot more than once anyway.

    I'm not an executioner, but I wont lie here either. Knowing the system of so called "justice" that prevailes these days, at least if the perp died, you wouldnt have to be looking over your shoulder the rest of your life.
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    Those are about the same odds as surviving an auto accident, but I wouldn't look forward to either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksgunner View Post
    If the BG is in the hospital recovering, he is no longer shooting at me....just sayin
    I don't know about Kansas but in Kalifornistan he's on his cell phone yelling at his lawyer, "SUE THE SONUVABEEYUTCH"!!

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    I'm living proof of this.In 1963 i was 3 yrs old.I shot myself one inch below my heart point blank with a 38.How or why i'm still here,not sure.I guess to aggravate people,lol.

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    Well I don't think getting shot is an acceptable option, regardless of where I'm hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Well I don't think getting shot is an acceptable option, regardless of where I'm hit.
    "Acceptable option" may or may not be on the agenda, depending on the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moby View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/ny...hot.html?_r=2&

    While surviving numerous gunshots could be a miraculous feat, doctors who have treated gunshot victims say that being shot is not automatically a death sentence.

    When major organs — the heart and brain especially — and blood vessels are avoided, the chances of survival are good, they said. The catch, of course, is that there is no science to preventing a bullet from hitting a vital part of the body.
    This proves that:

    A) Modern trauma units do an unbelievable job

    B) Center of Mass (COM) isn't good enough

    No surprises here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanJim View Post
    This proves that:

    A) Modern trauma units do an unbelievable job

    B) Center of Mass (COM) isn't good enough

    No surprises here.

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    And C) The human body is a resilient creation.

    I can't find the link, but there was a paper I read on the COM theory. COM is actually below the heart. The author stated it's better to shoot slightly higher than COM. He drew a line from the heart region up through the neck and head. Apparently that region is the best for "stopping" - heart, arteries, central nervous system, etc. Now whether you can do that in a gunfight is another thing.
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