To declare when you are carrying or not to LEO's

To declare when you are carrying or not to LEO's

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    To declare when you are carrying or not to LEO's

    I live in PA, and am NOT required to declare that I am carrying to LEO's. Even though I am not required I do so anyway. Is that a good idea?? I am young (23) and drive a little sports car thats loud and fast, so naturally im cocky as hell and think i can get away with speeding all the time. Police tend to disagree with me on that point and I get a good number of speeding tickets....Over the past summer I got pulled over close to my neighborhood, for doing WELL over the speed limit. The cop came up to my car, and as he walked up i put my hands on the window and told him that I am carrying a handgun. I did this because somewhere in my past a police officer told me that they are always afraid to walk up to a car, cause they dont know what to expect, i think he said something like "you do not know what the guy might do, maybe pull out a gun and start shooting". So i figured that alerting the officer that I was carrying would put him at ease....obviosly if i tell him I have a gun, the chances of me pulling it on him are greatly reduced. So anyway as soon as I told him that, and showed him my permit, he let me go with a warning for speeding and was very nice to me and said thankyou for declaring. A month or so later I go pulled over on my way to school in NY, I wasnt familiar with NY laws, but i remember someone telling me taht gun laws are VERY strict there, and I didnt want to make it seam like i was hiding anything so again i declared, and the cop was NOT happy. He quickly went on the offensive asking why i need to carry a hand gun, and was quite rash with me. He did give me a ticket but made no other mention about me carrying.

    Just interested in everyones input on this subject....sorry for the long post


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    Nope, if your state does not require it don't do it. It hasa tendancy to come out wrong and put the officer on the defence.

    Now if he asks if you have any weapons by all means tell the truth.

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    I think it's a good idea to inform to avoid a twitchy LEO. I'd rather him/her know up front than get a surprise later. As for his personal opinions about it, I don't give a hoot as long as I'm legal.

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    oh yea just to clarify, about my original post about being in NY, I do not go to school in NY, I just travel along the border of NY to get to my school which is in PA, so i never really thought of looking of the laws for carrying in NY before the trip, just never crossed my mind

    and as far as being asked by a leo, i DEF would tell them then, I guess my question is just that of voluntary recognition....

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakshow10mm View Post
    I'll get the popcorn.

    is this not a good topic??? I'm new here, dont wanna cause any trouble or nothing, just lookin for peoples opinion

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    If I were you I would avoid carrying in New York. I'm no expert on NY carry laws but I don't believe they honor any out of state permits. If I'm wrong on this point someone will come along and correct me but I believe you were lucky not to get arrested. In Mo I don't have to inform and won't unless asked at which point I will answer honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mioduz View Post
    is this not a good topic??? I'm new here, dont wanna cause any trouble or nothing, just lookin for peoples opinion
    I realize you're new here, so your question is valid and welcomed.

    However, this topic is one of several that gets discussed ad nauseum here as well as in other forums. Hence the remarks you see.

    Here's the short answer...it's your choice, within the law of your state, as to how you handle it.

    The responses you'll get will range from "....don't tell unless you have to..." all the way to "...tell the LEO immediately to assure them of their safety..."

    You will also hear the inspiring stories of how someone was pulled over, announced they were legally carrying, and they then received a warning only...it's implied that the LEO cut them a break because they were so forthcoming about carry.

    There you have it.

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    Most times that there is agood topic that people would like to hear the responses to, they will post something to "subscribe to the thread". Which means if you set your preferences for it, you will be notified by email when someone posts an answer in the subscribed thread. I believe by stating "I'll get the popcorn", he was trying to subscribe with a little humor.

    I am also in PA. I have decided that in most circumstances I will tell the officer. The way I see it, there are very few "excuses" that get people out of tickets. All cops have seen or heard of people crying, or spill water on your pants to simulate a weak bladder or whatever. If the cop is pro-CCW (not pro-gun, there is a difference) he may let you go with a warning. He may also want to "talk shop". Maybe you will get a chance to educate him a bit, as I have found a lot of officers in PA are not familiar with all aspects of the law regarding CCW (or in Pa LTCF). If you still get a ticket, oh well youprobably would have anyway. He can't make it worse for you because you carry.

    I have no problem with the boys in blue as a whole, though I hate to say it, there are a lot of cops that are d***heads. But it's probably because of the stress of the job. It's hard to be nice to everyone you pull over when the last 3 guys you pulled over gave you a bull$hit story trying to get out of a ticket. Plus, as stated before, they are just as likely to walk up to car and find a blue haired old lady who is late for bingo as they are to find a guy on his way to do a drive-by.

    Besides, I can be a real d***head at work when the machines don't run right, these guys get shot at, lied to, spit on, kicked. They have to chase people, drop their supper to go for a call, respond to domestic violence, interview rape victims. It's a hard job, I'd be a dick too.

    So I give them the benifit of no doubt, and tell them I'm a card carrying, gun toten lunatic.

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    so naturally im cocky as hell
    When you leave the house, take one thing with you. Pick the gun or the ego, not both.

    obviosly if i tell him I have a gun, the chances of me pulling it on him are greatly reduced
    Nope. Doesn't change the chances whatsoever.

    A month or so later I go pulled over on my way to school in NY, I wasnt familiar with NY laws, but i remember someone telling me taht gun laws are VERY strict there, and I didnt want to make it seam like i was hiding anything so again i declared, and the cop was NOT happy. He quickly went on the offensive asking why i need to carry a hand gun, and was quite rash with me. He did give me a ticket but made no other mention about me carrying.
    You were very lucky not to be arrested and charged with illegally carrying a concealed weapon. NY does not honor any state's carry permit. You were carrying illegally.
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    In Ohio if you are pulled over or interact with the police in an official manner then you have to say something. I saw a county sheriff (not my county) at my son's soccer games all the time this past fall and did not say anything to him. First of all, I'm not sure how to start that "Oh, by the way..." conversation. Secondly, it is in public and there were always other parents around. Not something I like others to know unless absolutely necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakshow10mm View Post
    When you leave the house, take one thing with you. Pick the gun or the ego, not both.


    Nope. Doesn't change the chances whatsoever.



    You were very lucky not to be arrested and charged with illegally carrying a concealed weapon. NY does not honor any state's carry permit. You were carrying illegally.
    I disagree with you there on several points....

    I'm actually not a cocky person, just drive like and ....but nobody is perfect

    But If someone declares they are caring a handgun, I dont think they have any intention of pulling to on an officer....If I was so audacious (spelling????) to pull a gun on an officer, im sure as hell not gonna tell em about it ahead of time. I think it shows respect in ways, as well as a form of trust.

    As far as NY, I have looked into the laws, and they are confusing as hell. Clearly I should not have a handgun anywhere near me in NYC and surrounding areas, but a friend of a friend said taht in the lower counties, that they do honor out of state permits....Furthormore I would have expected the police officer to educate me on this when I got pulled over. I knew the laws there where different, and I have 2 handguns and an AR15 with me, so I didnt want to make it seam like I was hiding anything. I wish he would have cleared up this issue before I left. But other than him being unpleasant with me, he never really said it was illegal, or legal.

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    Chances are your state's statute language says something like "when stopped...". This does not include casual happenings upon, like grocery store, soccer games, etc. This means you can walk up to a cop, BS with him, and not have to declare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyW View Post
    In Ohio if you are pulled over or interact with the police in an official manner then you have to say something. I saw a county sheriff (not my county) at my son's soccer games all the time this past fall and did not say anything to him. First of all, I'm not sure how to start that "Oh, by the way..." conversation. Secondly, it is in public and there were always other parents around. Not something I like others to know unless absolutely necessary.

    Ummmm, popcorn!
    If i was a LEO and just casually chatting with someone, and they declared that, id think something was up.....but clearly if you get pulled over thats a diff story

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