Why doesn't the public trust us?

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    Why doesn't the public trust us?

    I escorted my wife downtown to the County Courthouse today to pick up her License to Carry Firearms. Bored waiting in line, I read every notice and sign in the place. Very interesting. In Pennsylvania, you cannot get a permit to carry without indisputably identifying yourself as a resident, with no pending court actions or outstanding warrants, even for traffic violations. Heck, you canít even have an unpaid parking ticket!

    It really brought home to me the fact that anyone you run into carrying a firearm (legally, of course) is in all likelihood an upstanding, law-abiding citizen. In other words, one of the good guys. To hear some in the mainstream media talk, anyone carrying a gun other than police is suspect, dangerous, and should be reported.

    Iím sure this is old stuff to some of you, but Iíve only been carrying for 7 years, and Iím still learning.
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    Because they're ignorant of facts, they just care about emotion.
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    To admit that a person who carries a gun is an upstanding person of good character would not fit the medias anti gun agenda.
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    Liberal gun grabbers don't trust anyone. That's why they want the government to legislate and control everything because they trust government over free people. Many also are so ignorant of firearms that they fear these inanimate objects. My concern is that we face a losing battle against these forces of fear and ignorance.
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    Criminals use guns, thus guns are bad, and we own/carry guns as well. Which means we're to be feared, if not altogether bad.

    Silly logic, but IMO that's about it. One would think a few more synapses would be engaged prior to making such an awful leap of logic based on politically-motivated fear-mongering, but that's just not today's citizen's style.

    Why do liberty-hating gun grabbers not trust us? Because we've got something they want: our freedom.
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    I've never run into anyone who doesn't trust me because I carry. I've never really told anyone, though, except for a few. I like it that way since I conceal well enough.
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    They don't trust us because they believe that our guns will turn us into evil killers at any moment and they are afraid that they might be standing next to us when we are finally transformed and they are afraid that they will become one of our first victims when we inevitably go on our evil killing spree.
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    Because they're ignorant of facts, they just care about emotion.
    Emotional response ?

    Liberal gun grabbers don't trust anyone.
    Lack of trust equates to fear. Fear is the basis why folks carry guns. Maybe the anti gun side is also afraid of guns. Heck I do not trust any of you blokes with a loaded gun. There is no tattoo on your forehead affirming you to be a good. Who would lable you a good guy ? Some government worker ? Certainly not me, as I do not know you and records can easily be falsified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideKahr View Post
    I escorted my wife downtown to the County Courthouse today to pick up her License to Carry Firearms. Bored waiting in line, I read every notice and sign in the place. Very interesting. In Pennsylvania, you cannot get a permit to carry without indisputably identifying yourself as a resident, with no pending court actions or outstanding warrants, even for traffic violations. Heck, you can’t even have an unpaid parking ticket!

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    Are you by chance in Philadelphia? These sound like Phila reasons for rejection that the rest of the State doesn't use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hook686 View Post
    Lack of trust equates to fear. Fear is the basis why folks carry guns. Maybe the anti gun side is also afraid of guns. Heck I do not trust any of you blokes with a loaded gun. There is no tattoo on your forehead affirming you to be a good. Who would lable you a good guy ? Some government worker ? Certainly not me, as I do not know you and records can easily be falsified.
    First, "fear" is not the reason "folks" carry guns. Some people simply choose to take responsibility for their own safety and that of their family and loved ones because we are realists and understand that threats to person and home actually do exists (no fantasy here). This should not be mistaken for "fear" but rather responsibility. Legal gun owners are among the most law-abiding of all Americans and as a group tend to commit fewer legal infractions than the population at large. As gun ownership has increased in the US over the last two decades, murder rates have dropped 51%. What gun owners do is reduce the number of "easy victims" available to criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hook686 View Post
    Heck I do not trust any of you blokes with a loaded gun. There is no tattoo on your forehead affirming you to be a good. Who would lable you a good guy ? Some government worker ? Certainly not me, as I do not know you and records can easily be falsified.
    My lifetime of upstanding actions proclaim it. The mere fact I don't fall afoul of the law is about as good of an indicator as exists, across a lifetime. Some "government" worker bee confirming that hardly means he's labeling me as such, when it's my actions driving everything. He/she is simply confirming what is already known, that there's no proof against it, at least so far as any such thing can be known.

    Same with felons, with their actions proclaiming the level of trustworthiness they've earned.

    None of which equates to a prediction of the future, of course.

    When it comes right down to it, it's the actions and proof of it that should drive the emotions and the trust. Unfortunately, the hype and political motivations skew all, with many folks.
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    ...they want control...not fairness...not trusting each other...they want to be able to force us to do what they want and they can't as long as we're armed...
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    It's not the "public". It's the "elites" ( at least they think they are)
    They are afraid that when SHTF, we'll be able to take care of ourselves and they won't be able to take what we have in order for them to survive.
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    I feel it's mostly mis-information from the liberal media and bad info from friends that mean well.
    I'm an Instructor and recently I was contacted by a young professional that wanted training, but he said his wife was totally against it. His quote from her..."I'll NOT have a gun in MY house!"

    Well, We agreed to meet at their home and I brought nothing but my knowledge. We talked for 2 hours and I just tried to be a decent guy... We chit-chatted, had tea, and talked a little about guns - not much gun talk.

    3 weeks later, I was invited back to their home. This time I brought several 'blue guns', targets, hearing and eye protection, (general range stuff) and alot of pictures of guys and gals shooting USPSA & IDPA. She was warming up...

    A month went by and I thought I had lost them.
    Then I got a call asking if I could take them to the range to have a look around - I said sure!

    Well, I brought everything... Several pistols and revolvers, targets, hearing and eye protection. After an introduction to proper range ettiquette, I asked him if he would like to shoot one of the handguns? He looked at his bride and she nodded yes.

    Then I asked her.
    She tried the .38 Spl, the .40, and 3 different 9mm's. As she was shooting the Glock 17 very slowly, I mentioned to her husband that she seemed to like the Glock.
    Just at that moment, she turned - not breaking the 180 rule - and asked very quietly, "Do you have any more bullets?"
    She went through 5 magazines!

    A week or so later I accompanied them to the gun shop and they made their first purchase.
    I felt... Mission accomplished!

    Since then I have received several emails thanking me.
    So I really think it's mis-information...
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    ^ Max, that's a great example of how breaches can be exploited. Once a person opens the mind to considering it as another interesting/challenging activity, then it's possible they'll be open to the idea of actually having one. And once they get comfortable that they're merely useful inanimate objects that have a place, then it's possible they'll open up to the concept of carrying for legitimate defensive purposes. More and more folks are opening their eyes. And, as you point out, it can come from a bit of judicious, mild prodding from those of us who care about the sport and activity of shooting, and those of us who deeply respect the importance of the defensive aspects.

    BTDT, myself, with a number of previously inexperienced, near-anti types who had a strong change of heart once they got a bunch of different hands in their hot little mitts. It's a joy to see the transformation. Hard to get a died-in-the-wool anti to open up, but that passion can be great if once it's based on fact instead of fiction.
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