Has concealed permits changed guns.

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    Has concealed permits changed guns.

    Many years ago, we all carried revolvers or 1911 guns. Yes, there was the Browning Hi Powers but few were carried.

    Then came the influx of semi autos. They were heavy to carry all day. A few years later, Glock came out and the guns were still heavy, bulky and cumbersome.

    Then the states began issuing concealed weapon permits, with FL really beginning the trend.

    The auto loaders were heavy and large so people began going back to the revolvers. They were smaller, lighter and simple to operate.

    Gun makers began making auto loaders lighter and smaller. So people began buying the auto loaders.

    Now we have the makers building revolvers out of lighter materials and the sales of revolvers jumped again.

    So do you feel the desire for concealed carry has changed what we carry, the way we carry and the makers building guns now geared toward what we carry?

    Just food for thought.
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    There could be a lot of truth in what you say. Then there's always technology coming up with lighter & stronger materials.

    With CC being so popular & even getting more so I think we can expect the trend of smaller lighter handguns to continue. Maybe even our stylish wardrobe will change with looser & longer shirts worn outside of the trousers, looser trousers to accommodate IWB being the norm.
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    Concealed carry permits being available in states where they were not years ago and not everyone wants to conceal a full size pistol.
    Assault weapons ban of 1994, if magazines could only hold 10 rounds, might as well have a smaller pistol; Glock introduced the 26/27 shortly after passage of that asinine law.
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    There is some truth to your line of thought, just as gas prices and availability killed off the V-8 muscle cars and spurned the birth of 4-cylinder engines in tin cans. While smaller, more concealable firearms have always been around (Think J.W. Booth's derringer), the glut of pocket-sized and concealable firearms shows the demand has increased. Is it the ready availabillity of permits? The increase in crime? I'd say a combination of many factors, the acceptance of CCW permits being a major contributor.
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    Small, concealable pocket semi-autos have been around for a very, very long time. The .32 auto came out in 1899. The .380 and .25acp were introduced in 1908.
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    Perhaps. Pocket handguns have been around for a long time, but I believe the design and materials used has changed somewhat. They didn't have Titanium or Polymer in hand guns until fairly recently. Most of them were made of steel.

    Concealed Carry may be having an effect upon the design and materials for the purpose, but the size of handguns has always been much the same for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Small, concealable pocket semi-autos have been around for a very, very long time. The .32 auto came out in 1899. The .380 and .25acp were introduced in 1908.
    Yes but they were small calibers and limited capacity. I have a couple of pocket guns from the early 50's. Six shots of .22 and .25. Now I have a couple semi autos just a tad larger in .40 and .45acp holding 9 rounds or 50% more than days of old.
    A 9mm might expand but a .45acp never shrinks.

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    Even 20 yrs ago, who would have thought guns would be made in pink and camoflage colors. Double stack magazines were rare if at all. The need for designer guns and increased available ammo was not present 30 yrs ago.
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    ...sure have been faddish cycles....watching them happen for the last 50 years or so, I've shaken my head...

    ...started with steel snubbies and full-sized .45s...other than carrying an issued .357 4" revolver, that's where I've usually been...and carried my .45 concealed and my .38 in my boot even then...I've never been stylish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    Even 20 yrs ago, who would have thought guns would be made in pink and camoflage colors. Double stack magazines were rare if at all. The need for designer guns and increased available ammo was not present 30 yrs ago.
    I got a 59 S&W in 1976. The number and popularity of double-stackers and concealable guns have indeed increased, but there really isn't much that is genuinely "new" based upon concealed carry's increased popularity that I can see. Holsters and carry systems, otoh...
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    Yes I think CC has changed the firearm industry. LCP comes to mind.
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    Yep, there is some truth in what you have said.

    Oldman45 - You seem to be from the same school I went to. I remember carrying a 4" S&W Model 57 - 41 Magnum - in PLAIN CLOTHS as a cop. I ended my career carrying a Glock 23.....my how things change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    Yep, there is some truth in what you have said.

    Oldman45 - You seem to be from the same school I went to. I remember carrying a 4" S&W Model 57 - 41 Magnum - in PLAIN CLOTHS as a cop. I ended my career carrying a Glock 23.....my how things change.
    Nope, Got to go back to 1965, I began carry with a dept issued Model 66. We practiced with 38spl and worked with .357 mag. Went from there to a Model 686, then to Glock 17 and later the Glock 22. I still say I would have rather kept the revolvers. Several years ago I got the approval to carry a 1911 in .45acp as God intended the 1911 to be. Now all I do is either reconstruct crime & accident scenes or serve paper. Of course, I get to go where the wintnesses or perps live to question them and mostly do so alone but I have friends that will come in a hurry to help me if the need arises. I am older, fatter, out of shape but still enjoy my work. Also the consulting fees pays for a lot of guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    Many years ago, we all carried revolvers or 1911 guns. Yes, there was the Browning Hi Powers but few were carried.

    Then came the influx of semi autos. They were heavy to carry all day. A few years later, Glock came out and the guns were still heavy, bulky and cumbersome.

    Then the states began issuing concealed weapon permits, with FL really beginning the trend.

    The auto loaders were heavy and large so people began going back to the revolvers. They were smaller, lighter and simple to operate.

    Gun makers began making auto loaders lighter and smaller. So people began buying the auto loaders.

    Now we have the makers building revolvers out of lighter materials and the sales of revolvers jumped again.

    So do you feel the desire for concealed carry has changed what we carry, the way we carry and the makers building guns now geared toward what we carry?

    Just food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    Nope, Got to go back to 1965, I began carry with a dept issued Model 66. We practiced with 38spl and worked with .357 mag. Went from there to a Model 686, then to Glock 17 and later the Glock 22. I still say I would have rather kept the revolvers. Several years ago I got the approval to carry a 1911 in .45acp as God intended the 1911 to be. Now all I do is either reconstruct crime & accident scenes or serve paper. Of course, I get to go where the wintnesses or perps live to question them and mostly do so alone but I have friends that will come in a hurry to help me if the need arises. I am older, fatter, out of shape but still enjoy my work. Also the consulting fees pays for a lot of guns.
    Loved the ole' Model 66 (and the 686 for that matter). I don't like the new Smith's with the lock though. Stay safe and keep that old 1911 cocked and locked sir!
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