1911: Cocked and Unlocked...

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    1911: Cocked and Unlocked...

    Just wondering if anyone carries their 1911 cocked but with the thumb safety off. With the beaver tail safety there and if you kept the trigger on the heavy side, I'm wondering if that's safety enough. I know it's single action and all but asking anyway.

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    Any single action pistol in condition zero is extremely dangerous. Period.

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    A 1911 is designed to be carried cocked and locked, period. Carry cocked and unlocked, please do it far from other people.
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    When I carry my 1911, I carry it cocked and locked. Better safe than sorry.
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    Emmmm, doesn't that thumb safety have something to do with the hammer not falling and the firing pin not hitting the primer in the event of the hammer falling by some quirk of fate. The Grip safety maybe just has something to do with the trigger pull and not allowing that to happen if its not made. I'm not sure, just can't figure out how anyone could carry a 1911 w/o the thing locked. I get confused like that a lot as I've gotten older. Maybe its because I've seen someone hit with a 45 acp and what it did. I'm afraid of it myself and would never carry it w/o full safe condition.
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    I'm looking to venture into the brave world of John Moses Browning. I have zero experience with 1911's but love how they look and their history.

    So I'm guessing you just have to practice like crazy to make the thumb safety swipe a natural part of your draw stroke. Was wondering what the minimum you could get away with. Makes sense what everyone's saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetChris View Post
    I'm looking to venture into the brave world of John Moses Browning. I have zero experience with 1911's but love how they look and their history.

    So I'm guessing you just have to practice like crazy to make the thumb safety swipe a natural part of your draw stroke. Was wondering what the minimum you could get away with. Makes sense what everyone's saying.

    That is exactly right. Practice until it becomes automatic...
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    Don't carry it unlocked. The antis don't need the ammo, and we don't need to look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetChris View Post
    I'm looking to venture into the brave world of John Moses Browning. I have zero experience with 1911's but love how they look and their history.

    So I'm guessing you just have to practice like crazy to make the thumb safety swipe a natural part of your draw stroke. Was wondering what the minimum you could get away with. Makes sense what everyone's saying.
    I'm not going to tell anyone how to practice and carry their firearm. That's all on you. I will say, though, that thumbing the safety on a 1911 is quick and easy and doesn't take much practice to get used to it.
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    If you go 1911, get some .45 snap caps and dry fire practice. Practice draw, safety off and fire drills until it becomes routine. You should practice with any weapon you intend on carrying and you will be surprised how quick you pick it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetChris View Post
    Just wondering if anyone carries their 1911 cocked but with the thumb safety off. With the beaver tail safety there and if you kept the trigger on the heavy side, I'm wondering if that's safety enough. I know it's single action and all but asking anyway.
    That's freakin' nuts.
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    Get a 1911 pistol and take it for a spin. They're awfully easy to learn to love. The safety is no big deal with a bit of practice. Once your familiar with the routine you'll have a lot of confidence in the pistol. And you'll enjoy the most delightful trigger you can find on an automatic pistol. There's something to be said for that nice bonus. You'll never look at DAO automatics and their triggers the same way again.
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    About two dozen times I'm almost made a similar post but always decided against it. But since someone else did, I'll play devil's advocate. Let's say you have a 1911 with a pretty heavy factory trigger- for the sake of argument let's say it's six or seven pounds. Okay, so you've got the grip safety and the trigger. Now let's say it's a one of the later series with a firing pin block. NOW...in reality, explain to me how this would be more dangerous than a Glock. It also has right around the same trigger pull but no grip safety.

    To be clear I'm not advocating cocked and unlocked carry, but I think it's a valid thought experiment. Just what makes a cocked single action gun like a 1911 or BHP less safe to carry with the safety off than a striker fired pistol that's always "cocked" (or at least partially cocked)? Or is the difference just in our head, based on the visuals of the hammer being fully cocked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    About two dozen times I'm almost made a similar post but always decided against it. But since someone else did, I'll play devil's advocate. Let's say you have a 1911 with a pretty heavy factory trigger- for the sake of argument let's say it's six or seven pounds. Okay, so you've got the grip safety and the trigger. Now let's say it's a one of the later series with a firing pin block. NOW...in reality, explain to me how this would be more dangerous than a Glock. It also has right around the same trigger pull but no grip safety.

    To be clear I'm not advocating cocked and unlocked carry, but I think it's a valid thought experiment. Just what makes a cocked single action gun like a 1911 or BHP less safe to carry with the safety off than a striker fired pistol that's always "cocked" (or at least partially cocked)? Or is the difference just in our head, based on the visuals of the hammer being fully cocked?
    If you get a 1911 with a 7 lb trigger pull, send it back to the manufacturer, someone screwed up royally!
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    If you decide to carry a 1911 that way I'll send you my landline & cell phone numbers. Please give me a call if you're planning to be in my area. I want a heads-up so I can be far away from you, lol.
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