May 12th, 2013 02:38 PM
License Check while CCing on a Motorcycle
Friday I the day off to go riding. I was carrying my S&W PC1911 in a DM Hubbard OWB Bodyguard and wearing a vest. Two blocks from the house, I ran into a License Checkpoint (NC's way of of finding undocumented residents) manned by 2 town police officers.
I came to a stop, put the bike in neutral, and informed them that I had a CCW and that I was armed (required in NC). The older officer asked me for license & proof of insurance. The younger officer asked me where my weapon was and to keep my hands on the handlebars. I did as instructed & told him "4 o'clock, under the vest". He moved to my right side, placed his hand on his glock & informed me that he was going to disarm me (the older officer just crossed his arms and watched). I cautioned the young officer that the gun was in condition 1...he told me to keep quiet & that he knew what he was doing. After he took my PC1911, he made several comments about how "purdy" my gun was, but if I knew more about guns, I would own a Glock. He then removed the magazine and tried, unsuccessfully, several times to eject the chambered round. The older officer didn't say a word while he was smiling at the young officer fighting with my 1911 trying to get the slide open.
After several more fruitless tries, I finally told him how to disengage the ambi thumb safety & about the grip safety. At this point, the older officer was having a hard time trying to hold in his laughter.
After all of the paper checks, the embarrassed officer asked if he could look in my saddlebags. Although I had nothing in them besides a rainsuit, I told him "No, I do not consent to a search of any kind." He then had me pull off to the side of the road & shut off my engine. He then went into the "what are you trying to hide?" routine. I just took out my cellphone and as I started to call, he got sarcastic asking me if I was calling my lawyer. I placed my call & calmly explained what was happening, then handed the phone to the young officer.
After he hung up, he returned my weapon to me and told me: "Have a nice day." I don't know what was said on the phone. I guess I'll have to wait until tonight...when I have dinner with the Chief of Police.
KNOWLEDGE: A tomato is a fruit.
WISDOM: Not putting a tomato in a fruit salad..
May 12th, 2013 03:51 PM
Props to you for standing up for your rights in a respectable manner. As a fellow NCer, I'm curious as to what county this occurred in.
Did you call your lawyer or the CoP?
May 12th, 2013 03:59 PM
Apparently he called the Chief,I would have told him unless he had a reason to detain me I'll be on my way since I was only stopped for a valid license check and you received what u asked for,if we go any further u will hear from my lawyer
Did you call your lawyer or the CoP?
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May 12th, 2013 04:05 PM
I'm curious as to who you would have called ifyou didn't know the chief. The older officer should have stopped the younger officer (I know I would have) from acting like a fool as many younger officers tend to do much of the time just like many civilians.
May 12th, 2013 04:09 PM
May 12th, 2013 04:12 PM
I am too. This behavior justifies an official complaint at the least. I had a problem with it when you notified him of having a lawfully concealed weapon that he immediately grabbed for his own.
Originally Posted by ItalianSteel
May 12th, 2013 04:13 PM
Good for you for just saying, "No."
Retired USAF E-8. Lighten up and enjoy life because:
Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid...
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May 12th, 2013 04:29 PM
I agree.It was a license check.Not a saddle bag check.
May 12th, 2013 04:36 PM
I cant stand that mess. Im in Pineville and the LE here seem to be upset that people carry side arms. Its like there the only ones allowed to be armed 'protected', like I would depend on anyone but myself to protect the lives of me and mine.They of all people should know what kinda nut jobs are out running loose.
If you wish for peace, prepare for war.
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May 12th, 2013 04:52 PM
I'm glad we do not have to notify, in Georgia.
"If you make something idiot proof, someone will make a better idiot."
May 12th, 2013 05:04 PM
I had a young man pull out in front of me and my Big Dodge Diesel the other day and I clobbered him.
When the LEO showed up I handed him my Drivers License & CHL at the same time.
He spread them to see what the back card was (CHL) then handed it back to me without even a change in expression.
He never even made any comments or indicated that it mattered to him.
As I was trying to exchange Driver Info with the Young Man his Mommy shows up and goes off on me about it being my fault because I hit him with my truck. Yea, but he pulled out in front of me lady! She refused to exchange the Required legal informatin.
I backed off and went over to the Officer sitting in his car and told him about her attitude and that she was ticking me off.
He said, I'll get the information for you and explain the LAW to her.
And he did!
No mention ever about how, or where I was armed.
I had a 45 tucked between the front seats and a LC9 in my front pocket.
Fort Worth Texas Cops BTY!
I carry a lefty handgun when riding my Motorcycle. The holster is a Side Gaurd SOB, Left cant, palm out.
The hoilster is fitted for my Laser Equipped Sigma 40.
I figure if I need to pull it I can keep my throttle open and draw lefty.
Since I'm left hand dominant, it isn't a problem.
What have you done to prepare for the end of civilization as we know it?
May 12th, 2013 09:24 PM
As a retired LEO I hate to hear things like this! This paints a bad picture of the 99.9% of the LEO's who work hard and put their lives on the line for the community they serve.
Retired Police Lieutenant, Retired USAF Reserve, Glock Armorer, NC CWP, HR-218 Qualified
Second generation American, Third generation Legionnaire
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Phil 4:13
May 12th, 2013 09:34 PM
I hate it when people touch my stuff and I would have been extremely annoyed at the young officer trying to force the slide open (even though I'm sure it was doing no harm to it).
May 12th, 2013 10:04 PM
...that is GOLDEN...that young man will tell his grandkids the story of when he found out he wasn't so cool after all...
Originally Posted by DaGunny
May 12th, 2013 10:05 PM
...the rookie learned some stuff that day...'bout guns AND men...
Originally Posted by 5lima30ret
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