The longer you carry...

The longer you carry...

This is a discussion on The longer you carry... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I've noticed a trend and I hope someone proves me wrong. Being a new CPL holder, I carry a hi cap gun Glock 19 whenever ...

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    The longer you carry...

    I've noticed a trend and I hope someone proves me wrong. Being a new CPL holder, I carry a hi cap gun Glock 19 whenever I can and a spare with 17 rounds in it. Just in case. So 33 rounds total.

    I noticed that folks that have been carrying awhile are switching to lower capacity pistols or revolvers (it looks that way at least). Or they run around with just a LCP. I've seen that here in DC and talking to the guys at LGS's around town.

    My hope is that years of carrying doesn't make anyone complacent or too comfortable that people "downsize" in the name of comfort.

    I wanted to that that if you are one who started out all Rambo but cooled down to a James Bond, what are your reasons? Or have you carried the same hi cap Glock/M&P/whathaveyou since day one until now?

    Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to make anyone defensive. I just want to know how habits change as time goes by. I'm not sure what I'd do in 20 years of carrying. Maybe I'd be carrying a PPK with no reloads too!


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    I haven't been ccw-ing long enough for that - I'm still heading the opposite direction. I started out with 10 in my G26, and after a few weeks added the 11th round. Now I'm looking at adding a spare mag to my carry; my job has me carrying a lot of stuff in my pockets, and I've been trying to pare it down, but have decided that a mag holster is really the only viable solution. That being the case, I'm now trying to decide if there's enough room for IWB mag holster, or if I need to look into OWB or something else for the spare mag.

    Truth be told, if my boss would let me do it, my ideal carry would be a Mossberg and an AR across my back, DE .50 in a tactical thigh holster, G30 IWB at 4:30, and G26 on my ankle.

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    I have gone the other way. I started small and have gradually worked my way up. I currently have a Glock 17, a Glock 19, a full-sized M&P 9mm, an M&Pc in 9mm, and occasionally a S&W 1006 in my edc line-up. Given the carry platform I prefer, bigger is better. I hesitated getting the M&Pc because of its smaller size and lower capacity, but it is working out very well with the pinky extension mag for carry and 17-round spares. Carry guns I have tried and abandoned include a Kimber Ultra-Carry II, the Keltec POS9, and a Kahr PM9. Never say never, but I don't anticipate ever going smaller than the guns I currently carry.
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    I thought about this before I started carrying. I probably read too much about carrying on the internet before I came to my own conclusion. So although I don't fit your solicitation criterion, I'll answer.

    Sometimes I carry a CZ but mostly I carry a 5-shot j-frame with one reload. 10 rounds total. The reload is in case any bad guys come back while I am waiting for the cops (assuming I'm not dead).

    After reading about the "stats," for me it's just the likelihood of needing all that extra ammo. It's extremely unlikely I'll ever need to use my weapon. It also unlikely I'll need six shots or more. Assuming these are mutually independent events, the likelihood of me being attacked and needing more than five shots is very small. Yes I know no shooting is "typical" but odds are odds.

    It's also a comfort factor. It's more comfortable to carry around a j-frame than it is a larger pistol and an extra mag. I also carry my cell phone, wallet, and keys. That's getting pretty busy for me.

    Finally it's about reliability. I've never had a j-frame jam. I've had semi's jam when using hollow points. I've polished my CZ to fix that problem, and I'm pretty confident it will not jam when I need it. But it's always in the back of my mind when I carry it.

    But if you want to carry an autoloader and an extra mag or two then go for it. You won't run out of ammo (and if you do, you have gotten yourself into a very interesting situation). I can't fault anyone for being prepared and being comfortable with their decision.
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    I think and this is just my opinion that many long time carriers assess their likely threat and their attained skill and decided this is their required remedy.

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    I've down sized over the years. I used to carry a full sized steel framed 1911. I no carry an aluminum framed 1911 commander.
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    There are many things that influence what I carry. Some days I'll carry a 5 shot .38 revolver, some days will find a 6 round .45 semi on my waist band. Most find me carrying one of my CZ's with either 14+1 or 16+1. While always carry, I don't worry about running across a hoard of Mongol invaders to fight off.
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    I'm sure with some, like anything else in life; you will those who grow complacent to the point of NOT carrying every so often to the other extreme of carrying while on the pot.

    No gun = best comfort....Gun = less comfy....Big gun = far less comfy

    The distance between not carrying anything and carrying 2 .45 cals on each hip is a chasm.
    I'm guessing all here fall somewhere in between.

    Analogy: One can be prepared while driving the car with a 3 point harness system, reduced wt auto, energy absorbing race car technology etc...but we don't because we don't expect a major collision with multiple roll overs. OTOH: (IF) it does happen?....Well I guess we are glad we were prepped.
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    BGs are much more likely to scatter and run if bullets fly in their direction rather than form up and assault like a highly trained SEAL team. You're much more likely to encounter 1-2 BGs rather than a gang. If I find myself in an encounter where I need 20-30 rounds, I feel I've done a poor job of avoidance. But that's me. You want to carry an armory with you, do so. I don't find it necessary nor desireable. Your worst nightmare can come true, but it's not likely.
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    After almost 50 years, and no gunfights, no bank robberies, no pick axe murderers chasing you, no zombies trying to eat you, you kind of start questioning that howitzer and ammo dump you have packed around all of those years.

    In short, you switch from the laws of fantastically, to the laws of averages and realities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post

    In short, you switch from the laws of fantastically, to the laws of averages and realities.
    Ya..Kinda' like those 51 people who lost their lives in the tornados not to mention the thousands who will be touched by their loss.
    I doubt many felt the need for a basement or escape plan in the event of.
    I'm sure the averages and realities were on their side too...Until.
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    Situational awareness is critical. We carry depending on where we are and what we are doing. It varies from just my pocket .380 AP with 13 rounds total up to multiple handguns and long guns between me and my wife. Just because I have carried for fifty years and not had to fire a shot as a civilian, doesn't mean I may not need many rounds fired later today in self defense. No one surviving an attack has ever complained of having too much firepower.
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    It depends. I alter my carry according to my mode of dress. If I can conceal my G19, I do. If not, I carry a pocket pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    Situational awareness is critical. We carry depending on where we are and what we are doing.
    So can I assume when you do NOT carry is when you are locked in a vault alone and have armed security when you exit?
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    Personally I carry based upon effectiveness and hands on experience with a particular weapon. Any support equipment (spare mags, etc) is based upon that decision. It's a personal choice what an individual feels they need to carry day to day. Since I am married and have children I have to think of their safety as well. To me I can best accomplish this by selecting a firearm that will offer me the best chance of ending a fight quickly.
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