Planning a trip to Virginia

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    Planning a trip to Virginia

    Looking for some advice here. Going to drive to Waynesboro Virginia for my nephews graduation. I know I cannot carry on school property, nor at a school function. Anything else I might need to know?? For instance if there is any interaction with the police am I required to advise them I am carrying, etc?? Yes I've read through the handgunlaw.com site, but some small details seem to be missing.

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    A Virginia CCW Permit holder is not obligated by law to tell LEO's they are armed/notify they have a CCW Permit. On every occasion I have notified, the officer has had no problem, but then again it was the times I had interaction with an LEO that seemed grumpy or upset that I kept things just to necessary facts and nothing else. VA Officers I know personally, (many) have no issues with 2nd Amendment and all but 1 are all for personal carry.

    You can be armed on school property if you stay in your vehicle and are just picking someone up, but not if you are editing the vehicle (this is for VA CCW Permit, again out of state reciprocity could be different). Better just not to take it on school property as you are attending an event. You are fine carrying in restaurants and places that serve alcohol as long as you aren't drinking. Signage carries no weight of law here either. If you are asked to leave on the odd event that you are spotted carrying in an establishment that is posted, do so or face trespassing charges, but you will not face weapons charges.

    VA is gun friendly and open carry is legal so no worries about an accidental flash or bulge. Not everyone in VA agrees; we have some more liberal transplants, especially NOVA. I've been through Waynesboro many times on my way to Richmond, can't say I've noticed much happening there. Enjoy your trip.
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    matthew03 pretty much covered it for you. Enjoy your stay.
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    Thanks guys, Virginia sounds a lot like Ky in CCW matters

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    Finer details can be found at:
    Virginia State Police - Firearms/Concealed Weapons

    One note if you end up at a restaurant (Virginia technically has no Bars) that serves alchol, as it has been noted you can not CC and drink however you are free to open carry and partake of adult beverages. (see disclaimer below concerning the following) Virginia recognizes that responsible drinking and responsible gun ownership rely on several of many of the same character traits and you are treated as an adult (until you prove otherwise). They do want those around you to know that you are armed as that helps with self policing (if you get drunk, you will get a visit from the boys in blue and it can result in some pretty severe penalties). So if you go with your nephew to one of the local hangouts you do not have to go defenseless to be able to toss back a beer with him in celebration.

    (The above rationale "fits" the law as it is written but the actual rationale attributed to those that wrote the law or why it allow OC to partake but not CC are strickly my opinion (hope) and may not prove to be the actual rationale.....regardless, the facts as stated (you can drink if OCing) are true)
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew03 View Post
    A Virginia CCW Permit holder is not obligated by law to tell LEO's they are armed/notify they have a CCW Permit. On every occasion I have notified, the officer has had no problem, but then again it was the times I had interaction with an LEO that seemed grumpy or upset that I kept things just to necessary facts and nothing else. VA Officers I know personally, (many) have no issues with 2nd Amendment and all but 1 are all for personal carry.

    You can be armed on school property if you stay in your vehicle and are just picking someone up, but not if you are editing the vehicle (this is for VA CCW Permit, again out of state reciprocity could be different). Better just not to take it on school property as you are attending an event. You are fine carrying in restaurants and places that serve alcohol as long as you aren't drinking. Signage carries no weight of law here either. If you are asked to leave on the odd event that you are spotted carrying in an establishment that is posted, do so or face trespassing charges, but you will not face weapons charges.

    VA is gun friendly and open carry is legal so no worries about an accidental flash or bulge. Not everyone in VA agrees; we have some more liberal transplants, especially NOVA. I've been through Waynesboro many times on my way to Richmond, can't say I've noticed much happening there. Enjoy your trip.
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    As for "attending school functions," as I understand the law if you go on a school field trip to say the Zoo, you cannot carry, but if you just happen to be at the Zoo when the bus shows up you are OK, unless the Zoo has been closed/rented for exclusive use by the school. As a result, when one of my boys goes on a field trip, I do not "go along" but just happen to be there when they arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith44 View Post
    Thanks guys, Virginia sounds a lot like Ky in CCW matters
    One potentially important detail. Unlike KY, Virginia is a handgun permit not a weapon permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GettingOld2 View Post
    One potentially important detail. Unlike KY, Virginia is a handgun permit not a weapon permit.
    Yes sir, thanks for the reminder.

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    I love my state, sad it's so close to Maryland.

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    @Mathew03-Signage carries no weight of law here either. QUOTE

    Code of Virginia 18.2-308-O. The granting of a concealed handgun permit shall not thereby authorize the possession of any handgun or other weapon on property or in places where such possession is otherwise prohibited by law or is prohibited by the owner of private property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nontechguy View Post
    @Mathew03-Signage carries no weight of law here either. QUOTE

    Code of Virginia 18.2-308-O. The granting of a concealed handgun permit shall not thereby authorize the possession of any handgun or other weapon on property or in places where such possession is otherwise prohibited by law or is prohibited by the owner of private property.
    True, a CHP does not allow you to disregard the wishes of the property owner, however it is not punishable (note no "violation of this shall be a class _ misdemeaner") If the property owner (or designated representative) discovers someone on the property carrying a handgun (oc or cc) they can ask the person to leave. Failure to leave can lead to a criminal charge of trespass but there is not a gun related criminal charge.

    Same situation applies to a store that posts "shirt and shoes required for service" - if someone walks in shirtless they have not committed a crime. When management asks them to leave, failure to do so can lead to a trespass charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrearick View Post
    True, a CHP does not allow you to disregard the wishes of the property owner, however it is not punishable (note no "violation of this shall be a class _ misdemeaner") If the property owner (or designated representative) discovers someone on the property carrying a handgun (oc or cc) they can ask the person to leave. Failure to leave can lead to a criminal charge of trespass but there is not a gun related criminal charge.

    Same situation applies to a store that posts "shirt and shoes required for service" - if someone walks in shirtless they have not committed a crime. When management asks them to leave, failure to do so can lead to a trespass charge.
    If the place of business is posted, you may be subject to trespass even if if you are not asked to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    If the place of business is posted, you may be subject to trespass even if if you are not asked to leave.

    They've already made there wises clear by posting a gun buster sign at the door.
    Agreed, but to the best of my knowledge there is no "guidance" from the state on how to post (size of sign/lettering, bottom of the door, eye level ect) and in practice businesses tend to do a poor job of posting in a manner that a "reasonable" person would observe the posting. Pembroke mall is a perfect example. Of the publice entrances less than half are posted, the posting is a 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper listing the code of conduct, unreadable from greater than 2 feet away, and is posted off to the side, out of the way. Additionally a number of stores have exterior entrances and interior entrances (Kohls, Shoe warehouse, target, ect.) that are not posted. So IMHO, it would be very easy for a responsible gun carrying citizen to innocently enter the mall and honestly say they saw no signs/postings prohibiting possession of firearms.

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