Notify Question (Texas CHL)

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    Notify Question (Texas CHL)

    In Texas we are required to notify the officer if we are carrying. MY understanding of this is that if an officer comes up to you and starts talking to you that you should notify the officer.

    Last night I was at a neighborhood watch committee and a sheriff came into the room and someone introduced him to me and I notified him that I was carrying. Several other people in the room laughed and said that you do not have to tell unless asked for ID. That when an officer comes up and does NOT ask for ID that you do not need to notify.

    I am interested in knowing - what (in your opinion) constitutes an occasion where you must notify in a state where notification is required?

    Obviously passing an officer on the street you would not notify, but what constitutes an official engagement that triggers this notification?

    Thanks in advance.

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    ...from the CHL-16 of Oct 2012 online p. 26:

    "GC §411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. (a) If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license."


    ...so if

    ... 1)you're carrying your handgun


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    ... 2)a magistrate or peace officer demands your ID

    ...then you hand him both DrLic and CHL...you need not say anything...he'll take it from there...


    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/interne...-16.pdf‏
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    Introducing one's self in a social atmosphere is not the same as conducting official business. There's a big difference between "Howdy!" and "May I see your ID."
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    ...ain't it so!!!

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    Snub44 answered the question....I have a couple for the OP:

    1. Why did you say you were carrying loud enough for other people to hear you?
    2. Does your Neighborhood Watch allow folks to carry while doing their "watch"?
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    There were six of us in the room. They all knew him (the officer) and I did not. I came late to the meeting and did not know he was coming - I had my back to him when he came in.
    The others in the room all carried and know that I do as well.

    We do not have a "Zimmerman" type watch <grin>.. We simply have a watch with signs and we have cameras everywhere as well. So we do not parade, we do not walk around looking for trouble.
    So - it is my understanding that unless the officer walks up and says do you have ID or something else OFFICIAL you do not need to say anything.

    That is great - I honestly have avoided contact because I did not want to have to divulge.

    Let me pose one more question -
    You are walking along and the officer stops you and says - "did you see..."
    He is not interested in you specifically - but wants to know if you saw something or have any information - it is your belief that you still do not have to say anything? Even though this is an "official stop"?

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    I know a lot of states have this written into the law. I was stopped at a Highway Patrol checkpoint a while back and showed the Trooper my DL and Permit. We ended up talking about holsters and the load I was carrying. When we got done the Trooper simply said "Have a good day!".
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    ...I live by the law word for word...and expect LEOs to, also...the law above answers that question clearly...if you don't read anything into it...just what the law says when the law says to...my "belief" is that the written law means exactly and ONLY what it says...

    ...I once had occasion about 3 years ago to deal with a situation...convinced a young man to give me his gun which he'd fired in a crowded restaurant...had him sit quietly with 3 friends till the police got there...walked out and gave the officers his gun, they took him and one of his buddies who'd had unfinished business on another deal...and NOBODY knew I had a CHL until about 20 mins later when the officer who had to write the report asked for my ID...his remark when I handed him the DLic/CHL: "He's lucky you didn't shoot him"...

    ...the longer you carry, the less hyper-conscious you'll be about it...I routinely interact with cops and have no need to notify...my demeanor tells them I'm not a threat...most cops read folks pretty well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snub44 View Post
    ...I live by the law word for word...and expect LEOs to, also...the law above answers that question clearly...if you don't read anything into it...just what the law says when the law says to...my "belief" is that the written law means exactly and ONLY what it says...

    ...I once had occasion about 3 years ago to deal with a situation...convinced a young man to give me his gun which he'd fired in a crowded restaurant...had him sit quietly with 3 friends till the police got there...walked out and gave the officers his gun, they took him and one of his buddies who'd had unfinished businesson another deal...and NOBODY knew I had a CHL until about 20 mins later when the officer who had to write the report asked for my ID...his remark when I handed him the DLic/CHL: "He's lucky you didn't shoot him"...

    ...the longer you carry, the less hyper-conscious you'll be about it...I routinely interact with cops and have no need to notify...my demeanor tells them I'm not a threat...most cops read folks pretty well...
    I agree with cops reading folks well, and with becoming less conscious about carrying when you have done it for so long.
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