Carrying extra ID/Permit/Cash

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    Carrying extra ID/Permit/Cash

    I have been guilty of taking my gun but leaving my wallet at home on occasion. Yesterday was one such day. After kicking myself several times and making the return trip home I was struck with an idea. I wonder if it would be practical to add a small pocket of some sort to your holster in which to keep an extra copy of your permit/ID/cash in case of emergency. It would also be a good idea in the event that you are robbed in such a way that your gun is not used.

    Scenario: You turn the corner and are staring down the barrel of a bad guys gun. He demands your wallet and since he has the drop on you pulling would be a bad idea. You give him your wallet and now you are left standing in the rain with nothing but your trusty gun and what is left of your dignity. In this situation you would be glad to have backup credentials to show LEOs and also remain legal to drive and carry.

    Have any of you guys devised a solution to this?

    I just placed an order for two Foxx holsters and I think I may call them to see if they can sew an extra little slab of leather on the back to act as a card holder.

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    ...in some states, a copy is worthless, in some, having two copies is actually illegal...your issuing agency can yea or nay for you...if it's legal...not a bad idea...send me some of that extra cash and I'll do it, too...

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    I wouldn't suggest having two ID's being found on you..
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    A duplicate ID, assuming drivers license..... bad idea and will likely create an issue with the law. It was a number of years ago, but I did have to replace a lost DL, and it was printed as "Duplicate", and I suspect flagged on my record.
    A duplicate CCW, even worse.

    To receive duplicates you would have to make a false statement that you 'lost' the original, and it will only go downhill from there.

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    Do whatever the LEOs ask at that moment and tell them you were just robbed of your wallet, etc. They can look up everything they need. You need to deal with them to make a report anyway.
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    If you tend to forget your wallet...how are you going to remember that AND a spare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40SCiinNC View Post
    A duplicate ID, assuming drivers license..... bad idea and will likely create an issue with the law. It was a number of years ago, but I did have to replace a lost DL, and it was printed as "Duplicate", and I suspect flagged on my record.
    A duplicate CCW, even worse.

    To receive duplicates you would have to make a false statement that you 'lost' the original, and it will only go downhill from there.
    I got a new one in my new name because I got married. And it says "duplicate" on it - I guess I'm "flagged" because I got married????? Cus word here. Women get married and change their name every day, and have for centuries - if that makes me suspicious the LEO really need to find something else to worry about.

    In order to get a new CHL card in my new name, or if you wanted one printed with a new address, you have to file a "lost card" pay $10 and get a new one same as if it was lost. How suspicious does that look on your record I wonder????? Mine has the correct address as of now, but my old name, and is actually registered to a different address than is printed on it, all messed up. I do need to file a change of addy, but you have to find a printer since they don't do it online, and I don't own one. Good thing fingerprints don't change much - God forbid I loose a finger or something, I'd probably be on the top ten most wanted list then. I got married, real suspicious I tell ya. But point being, they basically require you to "lie" about a lost card in order to get a new one - if they ask you to file a lost card form when your card isn't really lost, then is it really a crime to claim you lost it when you didn't? :P

    Memorize your DL number. The LEO will look it up in absence of the card but there may be multiple people with the same name so make sure they get the right number by knowing your own. There was two people with my ex's name, caused some confusion at the assessor's office one time. Name your kids something obscure and hard to spell, middle initial Z or something, sheesh this is a small town - how many people are there with the same initials in a big town?
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    In my state it's illegal to carry a second drivers license.

    When I put my gun on I always make sure I have my concealed carry license & driver's license. In WI you must carry an authorized picture ID (driver's license or state ID) along with the CCL. I sure wouldn't want to lose my privileges because of that omission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snub44 View Post
    ...in some states, a copy is worthless, in some, having two copies is actually illegal...your issuing agency can yea or nay for you...if it's legal...not a bad idea...send me some of that extra cash and I'll do it, too...
    Agreed....the only instance in Tennessee I know of that a paper-anything is good for permit reasons is if the Tennessee Dept. of Safety gives you a paper verification of re-issue/renewal.
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    Having a backup copy doesn't make you a criminal, of course. It's enough to establish your basic identity, though folks might be looking at you sideways about the concept. As for whether having your sidearm and a paper copy of your CHL ... well, it'll depend on your state. In California, for example, at least up through the early 2000's, the CHL itself was just a silly little paper; no card, no real attempts at "security" features on it.

    When traveling abroad, previously, I traveled with secondary copies of my primary ID's, just in case the primaries were taken or lost. You can do much the same, storing the copies in a different place, such as a "security" belt or band, or one of those runner's pouches for keys/ID that fits on the shoelaces. (Always have found those things useful, for keeping a spare car/house key, $50 and an ID, particularly if out running, but often while traveling.) Of course, if forgetting your ID's is your problem, then remembering your duplicates would be equally challenging. Not sure it would help you, there.

    Best option, probably: get into a steadfast routine of double-checking your gear before you exit your home, a procedure you follow always: keys, ID, firearm/mag, spare mags, concealment, set the alarm, and go. Whatever your routine is, stick to it. Always do it, prior to exiting the door.
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    Carrying photocopies in lieu of the original document is a no-no in many places. Here is what your state says about your plan, with no mention of photocopies:

    "61-7-4. (n) All licensees must carry with them a state-issued photo identification card with the concealed
    weapons license whenever the licensee is carrying a concealed weapon. Any licensee who fails to have in his
    or her possession a state-issued photo identification card and a current concealed weapons license while
    carrying a concealed weapon is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less
    than $50 or more than $200 for each offense."

    Three years ago my best friend was found dead in a ditch near here, wrapped around his bicycle. He had no ID on him when found, and was eventually identified there in the body bag by another acquaintance who happened to be passing by. Since then, I have stowed a photocopy of my drivers license in my bicycle accessory bag. Notwithstanding, I ALWAYS have my original drivers license and CHL on me whenever out of my home.
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    If you ever get robbed at gun point, you will learn a valuable lesson. The robber is not polite. They will be taking everything you have, including your gun.

    As an accident & crime scene investigator, I cannot even count the number of times a victim thought they were prepared to defend them selves. They ended up losing their car keys, wallet, gun, pocket change, watch and sometimes, their clothes. Much has been written about criminals using stolen guns. They get those guns from those carrying that never has a chance to use them. This is the sixth month of this year and I have seen 14 people this year lose their guns to armed robbery.

    It is ironic that many having their guns taken are afraid to admit having lost it to police.

    Trust me here. Being robbed is a traumatic experience. A lawyer told me after he was robbed of his watch, wallet, gun and Esculade that he felt like a woman would after being raped.

    As to extra ID. Do not worry about it. Your ID is in the computers that any LEO can access. Now if you are dead, having some type ID on your body would be helpful.
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    I made a black and white photocopy of my DL and CWP on 8.5 x 11 piece of paper folded it up real small and stashed it in my truck. If I should ever get pulled over and not have my i.d. [ extremely unlikley] I MIGHT be able to have a bit of a barginning chip with me depending on the LEO. IMHO it's better than going.... doh!

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    Here in MO your CCW status must be placed on a state issued ID. Most people get them on their drivers license and be done with it.

    I'm old school and occasionally write a check in certain places. When you write a store a check they want to see your ID, and would instantly know you were armed.

    Thankfully, in MO, I can get a "state non-drivers ID card". It's exactly the same as a drivers license except that it has "non-driver" in big red letters.

    I had them put my CCW status on the non-driver ID and now I use my DL for anytime someone (other than Leo) asks for ID. If a LEO ever asks me for ID, I can simply hand him both cards.

    If your state allows it or has a similar system, perhaps you can get one DL and one non driver's ID ?


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    I must be missing something. What is so bad about having two of the exact same ID? I can see if you tried to use a home copy but I was thinking more along the lines of getting a duplicate state card. And why does having "duplicate" on your card flag you? My wallet size permit is simply a laminated photocopy of the actual document that the sheriff made for like $7. Getting a second drivers license may be difficult but I don't see why it would be a legal issue. Can you quote me an example?

    To be clear, I do not have a problem forgetting things. Just on occasion I have been known to screw up. The main concern is taking my firearm but leaving my wallet with permit at home. Thus opening up the potential for trouble.

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