Would you intervene?

Would you intervene?

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    Would you intervene, even use deadly force?
    The obviously high or disturbed man was assaulting ladies among other passengers and the police were no where to be found.

    I'm not sure I would have. As painful as it was to watch the young ladies, I think I would have walked back upstairs and left. The ramifications are just too severe. I would have let the police handle this one and go about the rest of my life.

    However, if he attacked me personally or one of my traveling companions all bets are off.


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    Throat chop, kick to the nads would settle him down...Let the cops clean the mess....
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    One of my best friends was assaulted, disarmed and murdered with his own gun by a drug-crazed naked man. Yes, I would have intervened.
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    A naked guy assualting women... after his first phyical assualt he proved he was a serious threat tp the safety of others, its amazing what a pistol whipping can due. In this situation, every person that DID NOT intervene is as guilty as the BG is. There were plenty of people to overpower him and take him down. Failure to act can be as bad as the agressive actions. What if he grabbed a someone and threw them down the escalators and they died, all because someone was to fearful to put a stop to it. I do not live like a sheep, and hope others fix all the problems i encounter
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    Quote Originally Posted by rigel42 View Post
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    Would you intervene, even use deadly force?
    The obviously high or disturbed man was assaulting ladies among other passengers and the police were no where to be found.

    I'm not sure I would have. As painful as it was to watch the young ladies, I think I would have walked back upstairs and left. The ramifications are just too severe. I would have let the police handle this one and go about the rest of my life.

    However, if he attacked me personally or one of my traveling companions all bets are off.
    Not to start an argument with you as I can easily understand your attitude of "Protect me and mine" And would one seriously wanna put their lives in the hands of a jury and, sometimes, corrupt legal system?

    But my question is where does one see the line of they (the victim) arent worth standing up for or defending? What makes their life less important than yours?

    Just food for thought. Personally, myself, having been ladies who couldnt defend themselves, I would have stepped in most likely. But definitely not firearm first.
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    I would have stepped in and tried to tackle him. It's something a non armed citizen would do. If it escalated and my life was threatened, despite all non lethal attempts to keep him pinned, I'd shoot.
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    LOL......Was he assaulting with a "deadly weapon"? He appeared to be on something, but at that time deadly force would only have escalated the assaults. Over reaction from the bystanders actually made him enjoy it more. Let the cops handle it, but keep aware and make sure it doesn't escalate to a deadly situation.

    PS....I am sure if you presented a gun to him he wouldn't have stopped anything and actually would have become more aggressive. He would not have stopped until you shot and killed him. Since he wasn't threatening anyone's life, then deadly force is not warranted.

    Intervened......probably but not using deadly force.
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    Would I intervene?

    Yes.
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    Perfect situation for pepper spray or stun gun...but yes, something should have been done..not necessary for any gun play as I see the vid....this man could have been taken down in a number of different ways.
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    That hair looks like a couple of handfuls of leverage to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    That hair looks like a couple of handfuls of leverage to me.
    Which hair. ..J/king I had to
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    That hair looks like a couple of handfuls of leverage to me.
    Looks like the only "handle" that one would want to grab.....The other handle I would steer clear of. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsky109 View Post
    LOL......Was he assaulting with a "deadly weapon"? He appeared to be on something, but at that time deadly force would only have escalated the assaults. Over reaction from the bystanders actually made him enjoy it more. Let the cops handle it, but keep aware and make sure it doesn't escalate to a deadly situation.

    PS....I am sure if you presented a gun to him he wouldn't have stopped anything and actually would have become more aggressive. He would not have stopped until you shot and killed him. Since he wasn't threatening anyone's life, then deadly force is not warranted.
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    I would not "present a gun to him", but would immediately shoot to stop him.
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    LOL you guys are bad.

    Actually, I'm glad that they pointed out the fact that this was at a BART station. (Bay Area Rapid Transit) Because otherwise, it just looks like your every day voting poll down there. At first glance it looks like just another happy voter.
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    I would intervene. He was attacking people and needed to be stopped im sure me and that security could have held him down till police arrived.

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