When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away.

When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away.

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    When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away.

    We've all heard that saying before, but this recent news story sweeping the gun forms really drives that point home.

    Check out this blog post and please share your thoughts here. I'm curious what everyone's take is on the event.

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    I've used the phrase many times to explain why a person would need/want to carry a gun. That and "I carry a gun because a policeman is too heavy." They're humorous but truthful. The police will be the first to tell you that they are not here to protect us from all dangers. Most of the time, they can only respond to a crime that's already happened. Our lives and the lives of our loved ones are our personal responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    The police will be the first to tell you that they are not here to protect us from all dangers. Most of the time, they can only respond to a crime that's already happened. Our lives and the lives of our loved ones are our personal responsibility.
    This^^^^^^^^
    Police rarely stop a crime, simply through the nature of the sytem, where you have to call after a crime has been committed for them to respond. I have never thought it otherwise. Once a crime is in progress it is almost always up to the victims to put an end to it. through self protection, my door remains locked at all times, and I have a gun on me at all times as well. I have no problems being responsible for my own safety, but all the BG will see is bright flash....
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    The mass shootings have done more to turn me off of police than anything. One shooting in particular; The West Va Tech shooting.

    That was the last straw for me. The footage showed LE hiding behind dumpsters while the shooter carried on killing as many as he could. How victims are treated AFTERWARDS also ticks me off. They come out, under the muzzles of every gun in sight, hands held high, etc.

    I understand the reason for the latter; to make sure "hostage takers" or bad guys are not mixed in with them. But to see the guys who hid behind dumpsters DOING NOTHING to help, then yell orders while training their weapons on the people THAT THEY DID NOT HELP, tears it.

    The phrase "Cops only show up to draw chalk outlines", resonates with me.

    Btw, Im glad cops are out there. They do lots of other good things, but in a mass shooting situation, they have been pretty worthless.
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    I have heard another line, don't know how true, that the average number of rounds used to take out a bad guy by LE is 13 while the average for a person with a license is 3 rounds. It is not uncommon to read where LEO's fire hundreds of rounds to take out an unarmed bad guy. The NY Empire State Bldg incident comes to mind, more civilians were hit by by stray LEO's bullets/fragments than the number of hits they made on the bad guy. I guess the saying "spray and pray" holds true. I don't believe one innocent by standers life is worth the immediate take down of a bad guy. In a military combat situation if civilians are injured/ killed there is a through investigation. If it is found that policy/ procedure was not followed someone will pay dearly and it will not be a paid short vacation and then back to duty.
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    It's one more example to show my wife and some other family members (who are pro-2nd Amendment but don't want a gun) the importance of owning a firearm and being trained how to use it. But like has been said before...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. That's true here. I'm thankful my wife is all in favor of me owning guns, but she's not there yet. We'll continue to talk, I'll continue to listen and ask questions/listen, I'll continue to set a good example, and maybe one day in the near future she'll make that decision for herself. I can't force it on her. Until then, I'll continue to pray and trust God to protect her (and my family) and do my part if the need (and I hope it never does) arrives to defend us against evil.
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    When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away.
    Definitely up there with the truest words ever spoken. Though I live "near" the beach, I'm out far enough in the sticks with the corn fields, pastures, and dirt roads. If I don't do my part, they'll most likely be investigating my death by the time they arrive.
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    I respect our deputies I've worked with some in other agencies. At least one I had the privilege of training. If afforded the opportunity I'm sure they would defend me or others from attack. It's a big county and some times there are only two deputies on for the whole thing. If a home invasion were to occur at my house it's up to me to deal with it. The deputies will deal with the aftermath.

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    While it is true, that the police are minutes away I have come to realize that being a cop is a thankless job. It seems everyone is on there backs for something or another.
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    They're not coming..................save yourself.

    Actually called 911 in Newark NJ 2 different occasions and was told they had no one to come.........

    1- Robbery of our business in progress.
    2- Bad car crash, man went through the windshield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    While it is true, that the police are minutes away I have come to realize that being a cop is a thankless job. It seems everyone is on there backs for something or another.
    Harryball , I don't think like that i am thankful for the police . I think the main point here is that we need to be able to handle things till the good guys (girls ) arrive . If it takes 10 minutes we may not have 10 minutes.
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    Truthfully , with budget cuts and such local PD response here is much longer in many cases. Multiple layers of security can help you prepare in case the worse happens .
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    Be sure to read the "this article" link in the blog. A good read on the aftermath of British gun control. It's exactly the direction this country is trying to go.
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