I don't think they will stop tryin'........
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The politicians, and media seemed stunned & amazed that after sandy hook, and using every emotional argument that they had, that they could not pass an AWB, or ...anything. Of course those trying to pass new legislation seem not to know anyone like those of us here.
And thats where I think it all went wrong for them. Bill Clinton said something like "It aint 1994", (meaning its not like the last AWB. That its safe for you to vote for it now), and in my book, he is right and wrong.
He's right. It aint 1994... and thats why this time we the people are not going to put up with allowing them to pass another ban. Since 1994, the "Shall Issue" CCP laws have passed nation wide.
We are no longer used to being an unarmed people. Because of the laws passed since then, and the safety record of CCP holders, we are not willing to go back to what we once had.
The opposition is just now figuring out that they "Can't put the genie back in the bottle". The ship has sailed on this issue, and they missed the boat.
What do you guys think?
I don't think they will stop tryin'........
I hope you're right.
One thing that I'm sure of is that they'll never stop trying.
Oops - Stoveman beat me to it...
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You mentioned the "safety record", and I think that is also key to the issue. We seem to be getting more and more facts on our side, and hope you are right about not going back, but there are still lots of uninformed voters out there.
A number of you are saying that you "dont think they will ever stop trying". I started to add that to my OP. I agree.
My point was to observe that this time, its WE as a people who are different. While THEY were sleeping, "Shall issue" permit laws were passed virtually everywhere. The S.Ct. has actually made it better for those in cities where all legal weapons used to be banned.
The change in the law has turned many of us into citizens who go legally armed, and own ARs, or Aks, and that they faced not just a lobbying arm with orginazations such as The NRA, but resistance like they didnt know existed from regular Joes & Janes who are saying "NO" in ways they never dreamed of.
They made a mistake here in Colorado. The Conservatives were a little apathetic due to that lack of good quality candidates and the Democrats took control. So they decided that they had control of the state and decided to pass gun control laws. What they failed to realize is Colorado is very purple, the group that wins is the one that has the most come out on that day. Well I can tell you next elections there will be a lot of Conservatives and Gun Owners coming out and kicking a lot of people out of office.
We do not have nation wide shall issue but many states do.
People are standing their ground and fighting back against all kinds of threats.
A armed people or a polite people until you try to disarm them!!!!!!!
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Agree. I have followed the CO mess. They dont understand that while some tree hugger sits on the couch in his moms basement, eating cheetos, and the like, wondering when election day is, those like us will crawl over broken glass, to get us, our families & friends to the polls to vote them out.
Although we may have more and more "facts" on our side, little things like "facts" don't mean anything to the anti-gun, emotional, libtards like DiFi, Bloomnuts, Shotgun Joe, Obama, etc., etc., and their followers! And they will NOT stop trying, no matter what the "fact" tell them! It isn't a "factual" issue with them, it's an "emotional" one! And with the possible exception of Shotgun Joe, they really aren't stupid! They don't want facts to interfere with their "crusade"!
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While we have made gains and decisions of supreme justices and federal judges are encouraging, my county hasn't gotten the memo, not to mention many places that can be a lot closer to 2A than they are.
It is certainly incumbent on us to be active. We have some advantage in focusing on the issue while the base of the opposition doesn't think much of gun control until there's a tragedy and politicians falling over themselves "to take advantage of the crisis" to offer government security besides being on the wrong side of the law, heritage, and freedom.
One thing the opposition doesn't get is that 2A is not negotiable. It is not a starting point for compromise. We won't give up semi-automatic rifles or anything else that violates 2A to keep regulated concealed carry. I think they are starting to see that the emperor has no clothes. On a clear day, I can see a tipping point rolling back a lot of government prohibition and regulation over the private lives of citizens.
I'll always wonder how we got to such a sorry state as we were twenty years ago (roughly 1994 ("it ain't")) even in TX to make possible the Luby's massacre?
Though there is general progress toward freedom, the political pendulum swings and always will and will swing wildly when citizens put their security in the hands of the government while discounting the responsibilities and blessings of liberty.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
Definitely agree with the posts suggesting that they will never stop. Ignorance is bliss and there are a lot of ignorant utopians out there who love to live in denial. I don't think there will ever come a day that an influential number of people, namely voters and other chunks of the population that love the wool over the eyes in the name of security, will ever break the thought process, come back down to Earth where real common sense exists. They would rather give up their freedom simply because they don't know what else to do with it.
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The reality is that we need to educate the general public. People like Colin Noir are a good start. We need to make the general population understand we are not "gun nuts" and are just gun owners.
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What we need is for the Atty. General of the United States to get some nuts and enforce the 2nd amendment. All that is needed is to stop all federal assistance to states who choose not to honor the constitution. Then prosecute in federal court any state official who does not comply with the order. No national data base or national CCL license. Just uphold what you swore an oath to uphold when you were sworn into office. SCOTUS should support this action and refuse to hear any challenges to the decision. That would end this whole mess. Yeah, just dreaming here.
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