Article: "Wisconsin Will Fall Out Of Love With Concealed Carry"

Article: "Wisconsin Will Fall Out Of Love With Concealed Carry"

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    Article: "Wisconsin Will Fall Out Of Love With Concealed Carry"

    Came across this article today in 'The Isthmus' newspaper (a Madison, WI weekly "alternative newspaper").

    If you know the author's work, the views expressed are about as shocking as seeing the sun come up in the morning, but thought I'd post it anyway.

    Article: "Wisconsin Will Fall Out Of Love With Concealed Carry"
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    Quote Originally Posted by From the whitewash
    Welcome to the Wild West, Wisconsin style.

    In July, two Milwaukee men "traded dozens of shots in a rolling shootout through two sides of town and down a freeway," as the press reported. Each driver had a state permit to carry a concealed weapon.
    The clear implication being: concealed carry made 'em do it.

    Bovine feces.

    Long before lawful concealed carry, there were felons who did such lunacies in our midst. The author can't actually believe that a person willing to become armed and willing to act so irresponsibly is going to be deterred in the slightest by a little piece of paper in his wallet. Of course, with any government permissions scheme, there are going to be a few who slip through the cracks, as no government system is foolproof.

    But the fact is simple: upstanding citizens arm themselves to be capable of withstanding violence from predators, for being capable of doing something more than prayerful dialing of 911 in the hopes someone will come from 5+ minutes away to assist them in the 10secs it's going to be life-or-death for them. (Good luck with that.) Despite a few idiot felons who show themselves after being licensed, the vast, vast majority of citizens who do so are not of this sort, not anything like. If anything, studies show that as a group the CHL sort is far less likely than average to engage in such crimes or irresponsible acts.

    The author's missing the entire point, willing to toss all the good out the window because of a few felons here and there ... which is why most folks arm themselves in the first place, to be capable of defending against such idiots.

    "Wild West," eh? Nope. "Whitewash" is a good word for it ... the article, obviously.
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    so far as i know NO state which has had a 'shall issue' concealed carry law has ever rescinded it.

    so if Wisconsinites do revoke the law, they'll be the first.

    IMO: not likely to happen.

    and i know that "wild west" charges have flown from the mouths of 'shall issue' opponents prior to the enactment of 'shall issue' in virtually every state which has adopted it. so far, no dramatic upswing in gunfights anywhere.

    a fact that i'm certain, will come as a GREAT surprise to members of this forum.
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    Pretty typical of Bruce Murphy, a big liberal, who on rare occasion, does do some good work (like the Milwaukee County Pension scandal), but it is The Isthmus, so basically he is writing to the highly liberal audience that reads the thing. I would not be surprised if something similar would show up in The Shepherd Express. Most of his "evidence" is studies and polls from anti-gun groups like the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort and the National Research Council of National Academies. For those outside the state, the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort never spoke out against a Democratic Assembly-man when he issues a death threat against a Republican Assembly-woman during our public union reform debate. Look up Gordon Hintz, Democrat. He said directly to Michele Litjens "You're F#%@ing Dead", after the Assembly vote. Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort was predictably dead silent on this incident because domestic abuse is OK with them.

    Also laughable is the following:
    Given these figures, it is perhaps not surprising that polls have shown voters in Wisconsin oppose concealed carry. A May 2011 survey (PDF) done for the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort group found state voters opposed concealed carry by 60% to 32%. Older surveys by the Public Policy Forum (late 1990s) and the conservative Wisconsin Policy Research Institute (early 1990s) found (PDF) an even higher proportion of state voters, anywhere from 79% to 83%, opposed concealed carry
    1. Wisconsin's governor signed the bill in July 2011 with it going into effect in November 2011, so the May 2011 meant little since we would have had a law in January 2005, had the previous Democratic governor not vetoed the law (veto was upheld by 1 when original Democratic sponsor switched his vote) See the following link: WISCONSIN GOVERNOR VETOES CONCEALED CARRY BILL
    2. He is going back to the late and early 1990's for polls to find opposition to a law in 2012.

    I knew they were bat guano crazy in Madison as well as desperate given the lack of rule of law, but this is getting downright dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei2 View Post
    so far as i know NO state which has had a 'shall issue' concealed carry law has ever rescinded it. so if Wisconsinites do revoke the law, they'll be the first. IMO: not likely to happen.
    Well ... NY, HI, CA and a few other places are doing their level best via chewing up the CHL statutes from the outer edges inward, making so many things criminal, banned or otherwise jumped upon that it's either practically impossible for an unconnected citizen to acquire a CHL and/or it's either practically impossible to avoid a criminal charge if you do dare employ deadly force. IOW, "Shall Issue" doesn't necessarily mean shall still be left standing once the DA is done with you, the legislature is done with you, and your uber-progressive communities all shun you out of the state.

    WI citizens know better, though, generally speaking. Trouble is, the stuck-liberal bastions sway the state in much the same way as other capitol/metro areas in other states do. Time to get back to roots, where self-sufficiency and being armed was part of the way of life. In a very real sense, being armed and capable of effectively defending against predation IS about life and the continued living of it. C'mon, WI citizens! Kick these "progressives" in the proverbial teeth and back into their coffins where they belong, those who would disarm you to clear the path ahead of all criminals who'd then see you for what you are: unarmed prey.
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    Speaking of S.C.,that may be why the CCP applications are taking so long.No one is taking the classes,lol.

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    Oh, look....another Liberal fairy tale coming out of Wisconsin's answer to UC Berkley....Madison, Wisconsin.

    .... anything written that comes out of Madison, Wisconsin immediately goes to my trash folder.

    I've worked with several business grads from University of Wisonsin - Madison.....I think they teach socialism in their business school.
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    The only way it could happen is when Walker gets elected President in 2016 and Barrett won to be our next governor. I can hardly believe Barrett is so anti-gun after getting his face rearranged by a tire iron-wielding thug some years ago. Guess some politicians are slow learners.
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    Once I saw that it was wrote by someone in Madison, I decided not to even read it.
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    I'm surprised that Mr. Murphy didn't also tell us that the sky was falling. Oh well, maybe in a follow-up article.

    I did find this particularly amusing:

    "As low as these figures are, they are likely to drop in future years, because gun ownership is in decline. You wouldn't think so given reports of increased gun sales, but the evidence suggests these sales are mostly to people who already own guns."


    I've personally spoken to 20+ people who did not previously own firearms and made purchases over the past year because they felt that their rights were in danger. While one person is not a statistically significant sample, I can't believe that I'm the luckiest guy in the world who just happens to meet only people like this.
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    Another useless Liberal article that is a waste of time.

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    "Wild West" because felons exist?

    That sort of supposed logic will forever escape me.
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    As low as these figures are, they are likely to drop in future years, because gun ownership is in decline
    Oh, really? So gun sales are up, Ruger's stock is a hot item on Wall Street, yet gun ownership is in decline?

    I think he needs to change his medical marijuana dispensary. The stuff he's inhaling is distorting his perception of reality.
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    The liberal media keeps saying that households that keep firearms are going down but present gun owners are buying more guns. More households are giving up their guns by participating in buy backs.

    The logic they use is flawed.
    More households are giving up their guns but gun sales are up.
    More households are giving up their guns but a records number of first timers are buying guns.
    More households are giving up their guns but record numbers of concealed permits are being issued.

    For their logic to prevail each.gun owner would have to own thirty guns
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