There Will Be A Lawsuit On This One
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Police: Aliquippa Woman Thwarts ...
August 9th, 2013 03:27 PM
There Will Be A Lawsuit On This One
There will probably be a lawsuit filed over this one, based on the facts that were given in the news report.
Police: Aliquippa Woman Thwarts Robbery By Running Over Suspect « CBS Pittsburgh
August 9th, 2013 04:49 PM
To make matters worse, there is a hardware store in Beaver County called, "Busy Beaver." I'm serious...
Well, your car is a weapon, and, in a pinch can be used as such. There was a case several years ago, where a wildlife officer used his truck as a weapon while involved in a manhunt for a pair of cop killers.
They were laying down rifle fire in a parking lot, and other officers were in danger. He punched the gas petal in his truck, rammed the BGs' vehicle, which stunned them. He then proceeded to shoot through his windshield at the BGs.
There is video of it on YouTube. In his case, it was a good move.
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August 9th, 2013 04:56 PM
Let see here the guy looked like he was gonna do something bad so he got run over!!
August 9th, 2013 05:08 PM
Hmmm, I wonder, if she saw someone with a holstered pistol, would she have run over them as well? While the guy she ran over surely looks "suspicious" on the surface, given the report, I doubt that it is sufficient cause for her to justifiably "run over him"!!!! Seems like a very good reason to be sure you keep your weapon concealed! Open carriers beware!
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August 9th, 2013 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Ksgunner
The problem is “looking like you are a bad guy does not always equate to being a bad guy”. I will be willing to bet this guy will get a lawyer and make the case that he was simply walking down the street with a plastic toy gun (Air Soft) minding his own business when this crazy lady runs him over and he is permanent injured (physically and mentally) (probably more mental than physical) and he is entitle to a large amount of money including but not limit to the lady’s house, bank accounts, stock & bonds and everything this slug via his lawyer get their hands on. Since her act was intentional chances are her insurance company will probably deny coverage.
Bottom-line I think her actions may have been premature and could cost her a lot of assets. Unfortunately I think this will blow-up on her.
August 9th, 2013 05:27 PM
I used my suv as a weapon back in February of this year. Told some of you, guy came to the front of the vehicle late at night in a parking lot (I just got off work, was food shopping) and put up his hand for me to stop so he could come up to the window. My .38 was on the seat by then. I shook my head "NO" and then proceeded to drive where he was standing. This guy had more brains apparently than the one in the article, he moved out of the way.
I would do the same again. I'd rather take my chances at running over a foot than having to shoot him had he got to my car window and pushed his way in or tried too.
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August 9th, 2013 05:43 PM
First time in my life that i'm speechless
August 9th, 2013 05:46 PM
Of all the people she could've run over in our area, she chose THAT guy? Fail.
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August 9th, 2013 05:49 PM
Great job Sister. I'll bet that most would have stopped as so many people do what they are told without thinking about it.
Originally Posted by Sister
August 9th, 2013 05:51 PM
Bad call, IMO.
Originally Posted by From the article
Of course, that's based on early news reports, few facts/proof of the distances, directions, behaviors involved, etc.
You know, not even on my best day would I try anything like that with someone I saw clearly carrying a firearm, not when it wasn't clear where the person was going or what the person was doing. Based on imaginings, the driver ran over the carrier. Consider being a CHL carrier, seeing someone "over there" with a shotgun, then shooting down that person ... despite no active crime in progress, heading in a direction that could have any number of destinations, etc etc.
Apparently, though, the driver thought she could divine the intentions of the person walking down the street ... toward the children, toward some businesses, toward the ~50 homes in the area, toward the next street, toward who knows what destination. Weak, IMO. And risking her entire future behind bars on such a "pre-crime" action.
Interesting, that the DA isn't going to press charges.
Originally Posted by From the article
If on a GJ or jury, I think (at least, with the early details reported in the news article) that I'd have a hard time believing that action was timely, that there was nothing else that could have been done, that anything up to that point actually entailed an active forcible felony that justified deadly force in such a way. I'd have to see far more fact in justification, than what appears to be the case so far. But that's just me.
While some might argue it was timely defense of innocents, I'd say it's a good example of what not to do.
EDIT: Just realized the situation was not (apparently) that the driver merely ran over someone she suspected of heading toward children, but rather was a driver who had the carrier raise the weapon at her in seemingly unmistakable terms, directly threatening her. Under those circumstances, with the carrier apparently being the one to introduce the threat of unjustified deadly violence , it looks like the driver had ever expectation of being shot in those next moments. Good call, then, it seems, if a bit unusual to use a 3500 pound ram to halt the shooter. Covered by the use-of-force statutes, though, it would seem. The DA appears to agree.
Last edited by ccw9mm; August 10th, 2013 at 10:40 AM.
August 9th, 2013 06:01 PM
So it's open season in Beaverville on anyone who looks like they "might" be a criminal?
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August 9th, 2013 07:12 PM
Where do I sign the petition to ban women drivers?
Obviously, this terribly misunderstood youth is a victim of crazy woman with access to a deadly car.
August 9th, 2013 07:44 PM
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August 9th, 2013 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
Agreed....The point one must consider first is....is this what a reasonable person should or would do ? I would think down here where I hang out, this woman would be charged with Aggravated Assault...
Last edited by USM1976; August 10th, 2013 at 04:13 PM.
August 9th, 2013 08:03 PM
Aliquippa is a rough neighborhood. I'd bet a good bit of money that both of these folks are black. Notice, though, that the article made no mention of race.
How different would this article be if she was white and he was black.......Hmmm I wonder.
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