"Gun-Free Zone"

This is a discussion on "Gun-Free Zone" within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I posted this on Facebook a couple months ago. I was, frankly, surprised by the response. “Gun-Free Zone” Today I was entering a building where ...

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    "Gun-Free Zone"

    I posted this on Facebook a couple months ago. I was, frankly, surprised by the response.

    “Gun-Free Zone”

    Today I was entering a building where I saw the all-too-familiar icon of a black gun outline with a circle around it and a diagonal slash through the circle. Trying not to appear as the chest-beating, testosterone-filled gun nut, does anyone see how ludicrous this is?

    To carry a firearm in 48 of the 50 states LEGALLY, you cannot be a felon. The irony here, for me, is that if I did enter that building with a firearm and was arrested for it, I would never be able to possess a firearm again – legally.

    The second irony is that the only people that would obey that sign are non-felons. Who would disobey that law and carry a firearm into a gun-free zone? Felons and madmen. Who does that ruling protect? Felons and madmen. Who pays the price for being a law-abiding citizen? Law abiding citizens.

    The insanity of it all! What you will never hear are the black and white statistics of cities and counties that permit conceal or open carry for law-abiding citizens. What cities have the worst homicide rates in the nation? Surprise! Finally, what solutions do they offer their beleaguered citizens? More gun-free zones and greater restrictions in owning a firearm. “Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result.”
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    Many fools believe putting up a sign or banning something will magically make what they think is offensive disappear, worked quite well with prohibition didn’t it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aznav View Post
    I posted this on Facebook a couple months ago. I was, frankly, surprised by the response.

    “Gun-Free Zone”

    Today I was entering a building where I saw the all-too-familiar icon of a black gun outline with a circle around it and a diagonal slash through the circle. Trying not to appear as the chest-beating, testosterone-filled gun nut, does anyone see how ludicrous this is?

    To carry a firearm in 48 of the 50 states LEGALLY, you cannot be a felon. The irony here, for me, is that if I did enter that building with a firearm and was arrested for it, I would never be able to possess a firearm again – legally.

    The second irony is that the only people that would obey that sign are non-felons. Who would disobey that law and carry a firearm into a gun-free zone? Felons and madmen. Who does that ruling protect? Felons and madmen. Who pays the price for being a law-abiding citizen? Law abiding citizens.

    The insanity of it all! What you will never hear are the black and white statistics of cities and counties that permit conceal or open carry for law-abiding citizens. What cities have the worst homicide rates in the nation? Surprise! Finally, what solutions do they offer their beleaguered citizens? More gun-free zones and greater restrictions in owning a firearm. “Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result.”
    i just try to avoid the placed that don't allow carrying. they don't deserve my business.

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    I posted this on my Facebook account...I got a few negative responses, but far more positive comments.
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    I've had my surprised and angry moments about no gun signs myself. And I've tried to understand the concept at very least.

    If a business has to account for the lowest common denominator among law abiding citizens, ie. the legal but not-very-bright/careless gun owner, what they're guarding for is negligent discharge. The places that put up gunbuster signs here in metro Detroit are usually kid-intensive places like Babies R Us, Toys R Us and Chuck E Cheese's. I'm all about the 2A but if some dolt that's too cheap to buy a good holster drops his gun and it goes off hitting my 3 year old daughter, I dunno what I would think.

    I personally trust that most gun owners know what the heck they're doing. So in general, I don't worry about the above.

    But take that basic fear and multiply it by hundreds of stores nationwide with a myriad of clientele and I can see how business owners can see ND cases being PR nightmares.

    The basics are still simple. If you sympathize with the businesses stance then you patronize. If you don't, then avoid them. Everyone has choices to make.

    But I am very sure that businesses disallow guns more from the ND standpoint than trying to dissuade hardened criminals. FWIW. JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aznav View Post
    “Gun-Free Zone”

    The insanity of it all!
    That about sums it up!
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    In Ky those signs carry no weight. The worst you could get is a trespassing charge, and that's only a: if your made in the first place, b: you refuse to leave when asked. There is a relatively short list of state mandated banned locations, and most of them are public/government buildings.

    The only place I can see myself needing to disarm is every 4 years to renew my DL, as that office is in the courthouse.

    I'd bet there are plenty with a cc permit who carry everywhere regardless of the law and signs.


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    I'm originally from England which has some of the strongest gun control laws in the world, people get shot there every day.

    England= Strong gun control laws, no one can have a gun to protect themselves.
    USA= I own 4 handguns and can legally shoot someone who attacks me.

    Guess which country I would rather live in....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianthin View Post
    In Ky those signs carry no weight. The worst you could get is a trespassing charge, and that's only a: if your made in the first place, b: you refuse to leave when asked. There is a relatively short list of state mandated banned locations, and most of them are public/government buildings.

    The only place I can see myself needing to disarm is every 4 years to renew my DL, as that office is in the courthouse.

    I'd bet there are plenty with a cc permit who carry everywhere regardless of the law and signs.


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    I'm not sure about whether Michigan law considers private gunbuster signs as force of law. I'll have to read that up.
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    I am of the age and belief that any business that posts a "gun free zone" sign has really intended to say "I DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY"... so I comply with their intent and go somewhere else.
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    From what I know of Va. gun laws and several other states, there is no force of law from a posted sign such as you mentioned. The owner can only ask you to leave, you cannot be arrested unless you refuse and that would only be for trespassing. Of course there are also gun free zones such as courthouses, schools, etc. that if you carry there you can be arrested.

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    I have always viewed it this way. They have every right to say they don't want firearms brought into their business or on their property, and I have every right to take my money elsewhere.

    We have a hair cut place near the house that had one of those signs on the window when I went in for a hair cut. I asked the lady cutting my hair about it. She said it was the owners that put it there, I said this would be my only hair cut there unless that sign came down and I also knew my friends wouldn't go in either. The sign didn't come down and I have never gone back.

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    Unfortunately, "No Gun" signs do have the force of law in Ohio. As a result, I try to avoid any business that is posted. Unfortunately, there are a couple of places that I must go that are posted but I try to go there as infrequently as possible. I think the belief that the signs would actually deter a gun carrying bad guy is totally insane! But then again, I don't believe the anti-gun crowd thinks "logically" - they base their decisions on "emotion" and "feelings" and the belief that people are basically "good" and will obey "the law"! Yah, right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDE101 View Post
    Unfortunately, "No Gun" signs do have the force of law in Ohio. As a result, I try to avoid any business that is posted. Unfortunately, there are a couple of places that I must go that are posted but I try to go there as infrequently as possible. I think the belief that the signs would actually deter a gun carrying bad guy is totally insane! But then again, I don't believe the anti-gun crowd thinks "logically" - they base their decisions on "emotion" and "feelings" and the belief that people are basically "good" and will obey "the law"! Yah, right!
    As I posted above I think most businesses post signs to avoid PR nightmares should an idiot (even legally carrying ones) get careless and cause a ND. Especially in places full of children like Chuck E Cheeses and etc.

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