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    I was told by an old timer to carry with 1 less in the magazine. This helps keep the mag spring strong. Anyone else do this/heard this? I hate sacrificing a round in an already low round sub compact.


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    I load them up to the gills and have never had a single problem. I think it is bogus, but I'm not an expert. If it was built to hold x number of rounds, that's how many I'm putting in it.
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    Full compression of the spring does not cause weakness, the use of it being compressed and released does.

    But, I still never top of a mag. If its a 7 round mag, I load 7, chamber one and leave six in. I don't think it makes a difference in reality, but sometimes a psychological exercise can give one confidence.
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    To be safe I only load one round in each magazine but carry 10 magazines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrow75 View Post
    To be safe I only load one round in each magazine but carry 10 magazines.
    Those are called "Kalifornia Reloads"
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    I also don't top off. Unless I'm at the range, as soon as I load the weapon I don't like fiddling with it. Into the holster it goes.

    And my understanding is the same as others - fatigue is caused by use, not by compression.
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    Clint Smith who runs a combat shooting school wrote in an artcile recently that when he sees a student having trouble with a 1911 he asks them how many rounds are they loading in there magazine. When they say 8 he tells them to load 7 (that was the design but there are now 8 rd mags) and with seven rounds the problems often go away.

    I know my Kimber will not feed the last round of an 8 round magazine most of the time so I load 7 & now only buy 7 round magazines.

    My Dad taught me as a boy to always down load by a round or two. I have heard a lot of combat vets say the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Full compression of the spring does not cause weakness, the use of it being compressed and released does.

    But, I still never top of a mag. If its a 7 round mag, I load 7, chamber one and leave six in. I don't think it makes a difference in reality, but sometimes a psychological exercise can give one confidence.
    In one of the departments I worked in as a cop it was actually written policy to load 2 less than the mags limit. The reasoning was supposed to be spring set, although there is a difference of opinion on it. I do know that in some instances it facilitates easier loading of the magazine with certain pistols. (Gives the magazine some give when being inserted with the slide in its full forward position.)
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    I used to download AR mags by one round just for ease of loading. Nothing to do with the spring.

    The only magazines I've had a problem with were H&K USP45 mags. Those springs I think were bad to begin with. After about a year of having them loaded and using them regularly, rounds started diving into the feedramp and generally not working. New Wolff springs fixed the problem and never had any more with those mags.

    I have magazines that have been fully loaded for 15 years that still work like day one. Both double stack and single stack. Just those H&K mags I had trouble with.
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    I fall into the non-expert category too. I load all of my magazines to capacity plus 1 in the chamber. I have never had any feed issues and no reasons to change what I'm doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    In one of the departments I worked in as a cop it was actually written policy to load 2 less than the mags limit. The reasoning was supposed to be spring set, although there is a difference of opinion on it. I do know that in some instances it facilitates easier loading of the magazine with certain pistols. (Gives the magazine some give when being inserted with the slide in its full forward position.)
    That's the reason I only use 8 round magazines to reload from slide lock, it takes some amount of force to load an 8 round magazine (with quality x-tra power springs) into my 1911s if there is a round in the chamber. If you have to use force to get something to work, to me, that's a clear indication something isn't quite right.
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    Since S&W claims 10+1 rounds in the 40C that's the way I load it. The same way I carry all my semi-autos & the way I was trained. Without the Uplula loader that little chore would be impossible until the springs loosen up somewhat.
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    My thing is in the military soldiers carry magazines fully loaded for long periods of time. If it's ok for the military's mags why shouldn't it be ok for the civilian mags? If S&W wanted the 9mm Shield to be 6 in the mag and one in the chamber to make it 7 they should tell you. They don't. I load mine up to the max. Even my LCP when I need something lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    In one of the departments I worked in as a cop it was actually written policy to load 2 less than the mags limit. The reasoning was supposed to be spring set, although there is a difference of opinion on it. I do know that in some instances it facilitates easier loading of the magazine with certain pistols. (Gives the magazine some give when being inserted with the slide in its full forward position.)
    I do the same with my duty weapon, and personal weapons. If it holds 15, I load 15 and chamber, and my other mags are loaded to hold 14. The reason I do this is because I will never wait until slide lock to reload. In the very few skirmishes I have been in, I have, thru deliberate action, changed mags with as little as half the magazine fired, and pocketed the used magazine.

    I did this all the time with the A2 using 30 round mags. I guess the desire to stay fully loaded came from those experiences. So it pretty much circumvented the need for that one extra round.

    Actually, when you think about it, with a fully loaded mag jammed against the bolt or slide, you are putting extra compression on the spring, because that top round is being pushed down to a degree more than it really should be.

    I have used the same magazines and springs in the same duty weapon since 2002 or so, and they still work perfectly. I credit this to not keeping my weapon loaded to + 1.

    I may be wrong, but like I said, the feel good factor gives me a psychological boost of confidence, which has got to be worth something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I do the same with my duty weapon, and personal weapons. If it holds 15, I load 15 and chamber, and my other mags are loaded to hold 14. The reason I do this is because I will never wait until slide lock to reload. In the very few skirmishes I have been in, I have, thru deliberate action, changed mags with as little as half the magazine fired, and pocketed the used magazine.

    I did this all the time with the A2 using 30 round mags. I guess the desire to stay fully loaded came from those experiences. So it pretty much circumvented the need for that one extra round.

    Actually, when you think about it, with a fully loaded mag jammed against the bolt or slide, you are putting extra compression on the spring, because that top round is being pushed down to a degree more than it really should be.

    I have used the same magazines and springs in the same duty weapon since 2002 or so, and they still work perfectly. I credit this to not keeping my weapon loaded to + 1.

    I may be wrong, but like I said, the feel good factor gives me a psychological boost of confidence, which has got to be worth something.
    From what I have heard and read you are doing it the right way. When there is a break in the action and you have an opportunity drop the mag and replace it with a full one. Don't wait until the slide locks back on an empty mag unless there is no choice.
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