Newyork to michigan trip

Newyork to michigan trip

This is a discussion on Newyork to michigan trip within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'm going on a trip driving from ROC NY to Detroit in a few weeks. It looks like Michigan honors my nys ccw. I have ...

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    Newyork to michigan trip

    I'm going on a trip driving from ROC NY to Detroit in a few weeks. It looks like Michigan honors my nys ccw. I have a Pa out of state permit.

    So that leaves me with Ohio. Which as far as I can tell doesn't honor nys ccw. I will also be stopping at cedar point for an overnight so I think that would disqualify the through state transport.

    Any ideas? What would you guys do?

    I'm most concerned with being able to carry the 48 hours I'll be in Detroit.

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    Keep it unloaded and secured while in Ohio, and you will be OK.

    "Sec. 2923.16. (K)
    (5)(a) "Unloaded" means with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this
    section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing
    ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question and one of the following applies:
    (i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that
    may be used with the firearm in question.
    (ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in
    question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without
    leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.
    (b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate
    enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:
    (i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed
    loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or
    case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a
    separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap,
    button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to
    access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that
    compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;
    (ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap,
    button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to
    access the contents.
    (c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in enbloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.
    (6) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm employing a percussion cap, flintlock, or other obsolete
    ignition system, when the weapon is uncapped or when the priming charge is removed from the pan.
    Note: 2923.16. (K) is added here as this is was a major change in Ohio Law on what was considered a
    loaded firearm. Before this law a loaded Mag and Firearm even stored separately in a vehicle equaled a
    loaded firearm."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Keep it unloaded and secured while in Ohio, and you will be OK.

    "Sec. 2923.16. (K)
    (5)(a) "Unloaded" means with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this
    section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing
    ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question and one of the following applies:
    (i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that
    may be used with the firearm in question.
    (ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in
    question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without
    leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.
    (b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate
    enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:
    (i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed
    loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or
    case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a
    separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap,
    button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to
    access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that
    compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;
    (ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap,
    button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to
    access the contents.
    (c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in enbloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.
    (6) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm employing a percussion cap, flintlock, or other obsolete
    ignition system, when the weapon is uncapped or when the priming charge is removed from the pan.
    Note: 2923.16. (K) is added here as this is was a major change in Ohio Law on what was considered a
    loaded firearm. Before this law a loaded Mag and Firearm even stored separately in a vehicle equaled a
    loaded firearm."
    This here... print this out out and carry it with you in the event their is a complication. I personally take it further by Disassembling the firearm and placing the pieces in a seperate container from ammo. Ammo is stored in a simple lock box, magazines empty. nothing fancy. Havent had an issue yet.
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    Here in MI we honor ANY state's resident concealed weapons permit. However, the word "resident" was included in there for a reason: it must be from the state in which you reside, so your PA permit would not be honored since your driver's license address will not be in PA, your NY one would. So give the New York one to the officer if need be. We are a state that requires disclosure upon any official police interaction, so you would need to tell them you have a NY permit and are armed immediately upon official police interaction (not unofficial though, you can say "hi" to an officer without disclosing your permit and that you're armed).

    Michigan also has state preemption laws, so there is no local government entity that can ban you. So don't worry about gun laws on a state/city level. You're good to carry concealed as a NY resident with a NY permit.

    The basics of where you can NOT concealed carry are:

    - School or school property.
    - Public or private child care/day care center or child placement agency.
    - Any sports arena or stadium.
    - A bar where primary income (51% of profits) is sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on premises.
    - Any place of worship, unless presiding official allows concealed carry
    - Any entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2500 or more
    - A Hospital
    - A Dorm or Classroom of any college or university
    - A Casino

    All BUT the casino you can concealed carry into the parking lot though, and just secure the gun in the car before getting out. The casino is a no for parking lot or inside, just no concealed carry at all.

    We also have a weird way that our law works: our open carry gun-free-zone laws specifically exempt anyone with a concealed carry license from those restrictions...and our concealed carry gun-free-zone laws specify that you only can't carry "concealed" into those areas. Therefore there's literally ZERO state restricted places in Michigan that a licensed concealed carrier can't OPEN carry. The state attorney general has made that interpretation official, it has been formally sent to the state police as the way they are to enforce the law, and courts are upholding it. So if you're the open carry type, bring an OC holster for any of the otherwise state restricted gun-free-zones. There are even licensed permit holders that open carry in schools here (though it takes balls to put up with the antis...) FEDERAL ZONES on the other hand (like post office and buildings on national park land) still apply. It's only the state zones that have that quirk.

    In Detroit, if you're north of 8 mile road, you're fine. Get the kids out of the car to play or whatever, that's good area from the north side of 8 mile road upward. However, south of 8 mile road, don't stop for ANYTHING unless you know one of the good "zones" with high police presence (there are a some, but I'd only try to navigate them if you have someone from the area helping you know where you're safe and where you're not). That includes car accidents. There's a new trend in Detroit of gangbangers stealing a car, rear ending someone else's car with the stolen one, then robbing the people in the car they just hit and beating them to death when they get out to exchange insurance info. There was 3 in one day a few weeks ago. Seriously, it's a F'd up place over there, don't stop anywhere you can avoid it. If there's an accident just drive straight to the police station if you can still drive, and get on the phone with them while you're doing it so they know what's going on. Trust me, they'll understand. At night in that city, I don't even stop at red lights half the time, too dangerous. During day I will, but at night I personally consider all traffic rules are off, it's survival. Get gas before you start going through, it's a gigantic place and you DO NOT want to have to get gas south of 8 mile road.

    I'm really hoping where you have to be in Detroit is actually "Metro" Detroit (one of the suburbs). Those are great places just as safe as any other average city area. Actual downtown (the tall GM buildings, joe louis arena, tiger stadium) is actually a well protected pocket too, so that would be an ok area.

    Can't help you with Ohio, surprised they don't honor one of your two permits though. That's weird. But that should help you with Michigan.
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    Ohio doesn't honor any state which doesn't have similar training requirements.
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    The best thing to do if traveling from NY to Detroit is to not stop in Detroit and to not have a return trip. Just keep going.
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    Ohio only requires like 12 hours or something, does New York really not meet or exceed that? (I'm not telling you you're wrong, I'm asking, I really don't know). Just surprising because that's one of the states with legislators that like to harp on about training requirements...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The best thing to do if traveling from NY to Detroit is to not stop in Detroit and to not have a return trip. Just keep going.
    This is true, just keep going north a ways from Detroit and don't go back :)

    Northern Michigan is a fantastic place. I'd never leave it.

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    I second grbr's first post.....

    This is by far one of the BEST explanations of concealed/open carry in Michigan, and as a mid-michigander who went to college in Detroit (UDM on 7 mile and Livernois), the BEST advice I have heard on how to conduct yourself in Detroit south of infamous 8 mile...

    I would only add, do not LOOK at anybody while in those parts of Detroit, and certainly dont make eye contact... that will be bad in many neighborhoods.. especially if they know you dont belong there.

    Sadly, the same is true in most of Flint, and Saginaw..

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