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    well today i go back and see my doctor (psych) to see about getting my diagnoses changed so i can renew my CPL.
    back in 2004 i injured my back to the degree i couldn't return to work (4 back surgeries) and they (doctors) said i
    was depressed. (which i am not) any way back in 2006 i applied for my cpl and it was approved and it expired in
    2010. i lapsed for a while to renew it til 2011 i applied. took the cpl course and waiting around 2 months to go in
    front of the gun board where they told me i had a mental illness. came as a shock to me because i feel great.
    (except for my back) mentally i'm as stable as the next guy. i have no criminal record, not even a parking ticket.

    now i have a letter writin for the board when i return (after applying again) to present to them stating how i am
    and my background and such. i guess my question is, do you think the gun board would accept my application
    considering my change of events or would my past still be with me. on the cpl application question 8 asked
    "do you have a mental illness at time of application regardless if your getting treatment or not. which ofcourse
    the answer would be no..
    any inputs would be greatly appreciated. thank you in advance..
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    I can see this type of scenario become more prevalent especially with the new healthcare law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooshin View Post
    I can see this type of scenario become more prevalent especially with the new healthcare law.
    How does the health care law have anything to do with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glock27mark View Post
    i guess my question is, do you think the gun board would accept my application
    considering my change of events or would my past still be with me.
    Just a guess but, IMO, I'd expect you need to have a doctor's note saying he has given you a clean bill of health re: the depression issue. I would think that that is going to be the only thing acceptable. Explaining that the condition was due to back problems and not some major mental issues might be helpful, too. I don't know, I ain't a doctor.

    And saying you aren't depressed, you feel "just fine" doesn't cut it. My wife left me back in 1991 and after a few months I felt "just fine" but I went to my doctor for some other issue (forget what) and he asked me if I was depressed! Huh? What's he saying? I told him NO! but he asked me a few questions and gave me some samples of an anti-depressant. Few weeks later I actually did feel better -- or at least I think I did because after taking the meds for a few weeks I told my (soon-to-be ex-) wife to F OFF!!! and that made me feel a lot better, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooshin View Post
    I can see this type of scenario become more prevalent especially with the new healthcare law.
    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has NOTHING whatsoever to do with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    How does the health care law have anything to do with this?
    Let's see if these link here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooshin View Post
    Let's see if these link here.

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    Have you read that? It specifically says "firearms have nothing to do with it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by glock27mark View Post
    well today i go back and see my doctor (psych) to see about getting my diagnoses changed so i can renew my CPL.
    back in 2004 i injured my back to the degree i couldn't return to work (4 back surgeries) and they (doctors) said i
    was depressed. (which i am not) any way back in 2006 i applied for my cpl and it was approved and it expired in
    2010. i lapsed for a while to renew it til 2011 i applied. took the cpl course and waiting around 2 months to go in
    front of the gun board where they told me i had a mental illness. came as a shock to me because i feel great.
    (except for my back) mentally i'm as stable as the next guy. i have no criminal record, not even a parking ticket.

    now i have a letter writin for the board when i return (after applying again) to present to them stating how i am
    and my background and such. i guess my question is, do you think the gun board would accept my application
    considering my change of events or would my past still be with me. on the cpl application question 8 asked
    "do you have a mental illness at time of application regardless if your getting treatment or not. which ofcourse
    the answer would be no..
    any inputs would be greatly appreciated. thank you in advance..
    There are several types of depression; eg. reactive or endogenous. If your dog dies you might react with sorrow and maybe some depressive symptoms. That is a short term condition and not a mental illness. If you show depressive symptoms for a long time, in spite of an otherwise normal existence, and can't shake them, have thoughts of suicide or self harm, etc., THAT is a mental illness. How did the board discover your previous diagnosis???

    If you never had or no longer have symptoms like suffering, feelings of worthlessness, suicidal ideation, poorer somatic health, worsened interpersonal and work functioning, sleep disturbance, appetite changes, etc. you might be able to see a shrink and get a letter saying that you are OK to carry.

    Here's the way I would approach the problem. We'd spend a good deal of time discussing how the original diagnosis came about. We'd spend some more time discussing present functioning and I'd ask you to take one of the diagnostic tests like the Ham-D or the MMPI. Then, maybe, depending on the whole gestalt, a letter might work.

    However, before going in to this, you need to find a psychologist or psychiatrist who will approach the issue from at least a neutral direction. S/he will be putting his/her reputation on the line and might be called to testify (subject to your state regs) in court if you end up in a SD event.

    You are starting off in a pretty deep hole and it is going to take some excavation work to get out of it.
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    Yes, sorry that didn't include the other linke to the Executive Order known as #16, that was signed earlier in the year to ammend that.

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    Here's a list of the executive orders related to guns:

    Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President - Forbes

    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    They can ask, but you don't have to tell!
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    Everyone gets depressed (a natural emotional state), yet few of us suffer from clinical "depression." The solution with your problem lies with your doctor. good luck with that.
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    Went to a new eye doctor and on the new patient information forms there was a question about guns in the home. I asked the lady behind the counter what guns in the home had to do with me being blind as a bat.....










    Kidding, of course....
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    well first of all, thank you all for your responses and input. just got back from the docs. (psych) and explained to him what was going on as for as my cpl denial, my
    putting together letters i have written concerning my physical health and mental health. of which my mental health is much better than my back.
    i sleep good eat good, i have no thoughts at of suicide, harming myself or harming other. now, bummed out because my back is screwed up and i can't work, ABSOLUTELY. AM I DEPRESSED..NO. did quite a bit of reading about depression. even M.C.R.G.O in there ask the lawyer a question about ccw and depression.
    anyway the doc. basically doesn't deal with any legal aspects of firearm laws or anything else for that matter. so he was not in a position to do anything about
    my so called depression. well have to another shrink but not before i talk with the gun board. sorry if it appears to be a vent. but come hell or high water i
    will get my cpl renewal.....thanks again everyone...
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    I wish you the best - it is bad enough you can't do all the things you'd like to do, this seems "above and beyond" reasonable IMO

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    Venting is good. I t helps prevent depression. Seriously tho...stay with the fight. Hopefully in the end, you will prevail.
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