Permitless Carry . . Illinois . . . Connecticut Information

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    Permitless Carry . . Illinois . . . Connecticut Information

    In late August of this year I had the opportunity to be an assistant at a Mas Ayoob MAG 40 Class. During a lecture Mas stated, “This may upset some people here but we should not call it Constitutional Carry.” That got my attention as I had it listed at that time as Constitutional Carry on Handgunlaw.us Mas stated it would just open a can of worms in a court battle if you used the term Constitutional Carry and not permitless carry or like he stated in the article “The Vermont Model.” Mas has been in the courtroom and knows how the system works and words do have meanings. Yes lots of people use the term Constitutional Carry but just because a lot of people use it doesn’t mean it will not cause you problems if involved in a self defense shooting.

    At the next break I told him I had Constitutional Carry on the site and he stated he knew that and that remark was pointed at me about upsetting anyone. Well it didn’t upset me I just wanted the best information possible on the site. So within 48 hours I removed Constitutional Carry from the site and replaced it with Permitless Carry. I received a few emails asking me why I did that. So I ask Mas if he would do a Blog Post on that issue and he has. You can read it Here:
    Massad Ayoob » Blog Archive » ?CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY?

    When you look at Vermont they don’t state Constitutional Carry. Their law is silent on carrying concealed firearms so that is what makes it legal in Vermont. Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming don’t state that they have Constitutional Carry but Permitless Carry. Even Oklahoma that will accept a state issued ID from those Permitless Carry States as a valid permit/licenses to carry in Oklahoma call it Permitless Carry. We should call it what the states call it. Mas was right in stating for Vermont we could call it “The Vermont Model.” By the way Permitless Carry in Wyoming is for Wyoming Residents Only anyone else carrying in Wyoming needs a valid permit/license that Wyoming honors. Some are stating Arkansas is Permitless Carry and Open Carry is legal with their recent law change. The state is stating permitless carry and open carry are not allowed under the new law. I believe it will take a court case/s to finally settle things in Arkansas.

    ILLINOIS: The Administrative Rules for how the IL State Police will administer the IL Carry Permits are in the process of being written. Until they are completed we will not have the exact procedures for application. They are wanting fingerprints to be supplied electronically but the law states if fingerprints are not part of the application they must accept it but they have 30 additional days to issue the Permit. The Illinois State Police are stating now that you can start applying on or about January 10, 2014.

    Illinois has also come up with a standardized “No Gun Sign” for places that post their property. You can view the Info and see an image of the sign here: Illinois State Police | Concealed Carry Information In my opinion the sign is too small. If you are interested in keeping up with what the IL State Police are putting out about their new carry law this link is the link to bookmark.

    CONNECTICUT. The Connecticut Citizens Defense League is reporting that the way the law is worded that you can carry a declared Higher Capacity magazine in your firearm but it can only be loaded with 10 rounds. Connecticut’s law requiring a magazine be “within” the firearm “limits the number of declared ‘large capacity magazines’ one is able to carry, along with the number of bullets it can contain. So it looks like if you carry spare magazines they have to be 10 round or less type magazines or you are in violation of the law. You can’t under the law carry a higher capacity magazine only loaded with 10 rounds unless it is “Within” the firearm. Will this matter to authorities? No one is sure but that is the way the law is worded. The Law states: (7) Pursuant to a valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver, provided such large capacity magazine (A) is within a pistol or revolver that was lawfully possessed by the person prior to the effective date of this section, (B) does not extend beyond the bottom of the pistol grip, and (C) contains not more than ten bullets. What did Governor Malloy say? | CCDL Blog

    Handgunlaw.us will be updated later this week with the Illinois and Connecticut info listed above.
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    I guess it all depends on what exact Constitution you would be referencing.

    In Pennsylvania the term "permit-less carry" would be synonymous with "Constitutional Carry" because of the Pennsylvania State Constitution that clearly and simply states:
    Right to Bear Arms

    Section 21.

    The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

    Many States have their own individual Constitutions which reaffirm the God Granted right to keep and bear arms even though politicians have perverted it, undermined it, and/or just flat out ignored it.
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    OKSHOOTER, Those who defend people in the courts will tell you that certain terms when used can cause you problems. Just like Mr. Zimmerman stating to the press, "I am sorry for your lose." We are sorry for people when they lose someone especially at a young age. The press headlines stated, "Zimmerman Apologizes." He didn't apologize but that is how everyone took his words. If using the words, Constitutional Carry can open up a can of worms in your defense why use it. Us a different term that will not allow the prosecution to hammer at it. I am not an attorney. I have only been in one federal court room during a trial as a witness. If Massad Ayoob and a trial attorney tell me that I shouldn't use that term in a court of law I will not use it. Those people have been there and done it and I haven't. IF I shouldn't use it in court why would I use it anywhere else. Plus now Handgunlaw.us uses the same terms as the states uses and there can be no questions about that.
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    I can certainly understand Ayoobs point and shows the state of affairs that we are really in.

    It also testifies to the fact that the lawyers, judges, jurors and anyone else involved in the process is a bunch of candy assed girly men that cant take the truth because of political correctness and it illustrates the depth of moral decay that this society has sunk to.

    You would think that one would be proud to use the term "Constitutional Carry" and that the meaning of it would very simple. Instead, the sheep are "offended" because they have been dumbed down to the point that they no longer understand much about anything and using plain language is now controversial and it "opens up a can of worms".



    What this country needs is a purging. Let the tyrants and cannon fodder types be slaughtered like the chickens that they are and the Constitution of the United States be restored. Until that happens, we will only continue this downward slide to socialism until we can no longer roar as free men, but only squeak like mice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    I can certainly understand Ayoobs point and shows the state of affairs that we are really in.

    It also testifies to the fact that the lawyers, judges, jurors and anyone else involved in the process is a bunch of candy assed girly men that cant take the truth because of political correctness and it illustrates the depth of moral decay that this society has sunk to.

    You would think that one would be proud to use the term "Constitutional Carry" and that the meaning of it would very simple. Instead, the sheep are "offended" because they have been dumbed down to the point that they no longer understand much about anything and using plain language is now controversial and it "opens up a can of worms".



    What this country needs is a purging. Let the tyrants and cannon fodder types be slaughtered like the chickens that they are and the Constitution of the United States be restored. Until that happens, we will only continue this downward slide to socialism until we can no longer roar as free men, but only squeak like mice.

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    Illinois has permit-less carry in fourteen counties. ISP will still arrest you if they catch you, but the local prosecutor will 'no-bill' it and you will be released and your weapon returned.

    I don't see ISP around here much, and when I do see them (3 months or more ago) they are just passing through town.
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    A symptom of trouble appeared when a sitting President defended himself by questioning what the meaning of "is" is.

    Mas makes a good point, and thank you Gary for raising it here. The old phrase "what's in a name" applies doubly in this case. I've been fond of referring to AZ permitless carry as "Constitutional carry", but I will refrain from doing so henceforth.
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