Father Charged After 2-Year-Old Fatally Shoots Herself

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    Father Charged After 2-Year-Old Fatally Shoots Herself

    Be Careful! (Although this guy doesn't sound the usual shooter, still...most tragic)

    Father charged after 2-year-old fatally shoots herself - CNN.com

    My question, how did this guy keep his Permit with his record?
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    Gee, a felon with a firearm, how did he manage to do that with all those background checks before you can buy one? Also NC is one of those states that REQUIRE a license to own a pistol. Good thing they have that in place to keep handguns out of the hands of "bad guys".
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    The father is a felon... So... not a "usual shooter" as in law abiding citizen with a gun or guns.

    Often here, we talk about how if one of a group of perpetrators is shot, dead (by a home or self defender)... all the others should be charged with the murder of the expired cohort.

    Whether a criminal or a law abiding citizen... if a child or other innocent is killed handling our firearm and it's not collateral damage in a SD shooting... or in any way related to SD.. .shouldn't we be as culpable as the thugs?

    Ours is an "accident," sure... but really, no more so than perps "accidentally" targeting the "wrong house." We should not be above the law because of our carelessness or recklessness, should we?
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    Worth knowing where your weapons are.
    Worth keeping control over all of your weapons.
    Worth appreciating the ramifications of unskilled/untutored sorts gaining control of your weapons.

    Hindsight is 20:20, for this guy. Time to face the music.

    Sad, that his lack of forethought has cost the life of a child and harm to the lives of many others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    The father is a felon... So... not a "usual shooter" as in law abiding citizen with a gun or guns.

    Often here, we talk about how if one of a group of perpetrators is shot, dead (by a home or self defender)... all the others should be charged with the murder of the expired cohort.

    Whether a criminal or a law abiding citizen... if a child or other innocent is killed handling our firearm and it's not collateral damage in a SD shooting... or in any way related to SD.. .shouldn't we be as culpable as the thugs?

    Ours is an "accident," sure... but really, no more so than perps "accidentally" targeting the "wrong house." We should not be above the law because of our carelessness or recklessness, should we?
    Camel's nose alert! By this standard where does your culpability end? If you have no children at home but truants break into your home and mishandle your weapon with tragic results are you responsible? If your collection is stolen by professional thieves and later turn up at various and sundry crime scenes are you responsible? Leave the gun out of it what if your vehicle,tools,medications or liquor is stolen and tragedy results shouldn't you pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    The father is a felon... So... not a "usual shooter" as in law abiding citizen with a gun or guns.

    Often here, we talk about how if one of a group of perpetrators is shot, dead (by a home or self defender)... all the others should be charged with the murder of the expired cohort.

    Whether a criminal or a law abiding citizen... if a child or other innocent is killed handling our firearm and it's not collateral damage in a SD shooting... or in any way related to SD.. .shouldn't we be as culpable as the thugs?

    Ours is an "accident," sure... but really, no more so than perps "accidentally" targeting the "wrong house." We should not be above the law because of our carelessness or recklessness, should we?
    Yep we need to make sure there are as many chances we can be put in prison as possible. If a parent loses a child to that child dieing because he/she managed to lay hands on dads gun somehow trust the parent will be going through more hell than anyone else can put them through already. Be kinder to just shoot the parent too.

    And of course if some adult in my house picks up a loaded gun I have not told them they could look at and shoot themselves by accident before I get it away from them then I of course should be put under a federal prision for the rest of my life.

    If a BG accidently targets my house instead of the one he intended and I wound him then I of course should have my throat cut with a dull butcher knife. He didnt mean to be at my house after all.

    If I loan a gun to a friend for hunting or SD and they kill themselves with it again I should be hung in the town square

    Trust there are already plenty of DAs out there ready to pounce on any excuse to hammer anyone over anything they can come up with concerning a firearm.

    I dont think we need to be suggesting more laws or tougher laws that again will do diddly but put more law abiding people in prison when they shouldnt be there.

    Not trying to defend this one case but in the name of "responsibility" gun owners are more self flagellating than some radical priests who whip themselves because they sinned in their mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Gee, a felon with a firearm, how did he manage to do that with all those background checks before you can buy one? Also NC is one of those states that REQUIRE a license to own a pistol. Good thing they have that in place to keep handguns out of the hands of "bad guys".
    Must be through one of those there gun show loopholes.
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    I'm guessing he will be wearing some bright orange jammies for a while....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdave View Post
    Camel's nose alert! By this standard where does your culpability end? If you have no children at home but truants break into your home and mishandle your weapon with tragic results are you responsible? If your collection is stolen by professional thieves and later turn up at various and sundry crime scenes are you responsible? Leave the gun out of it what if your vehicle,tools,medications or liquor is stolen and tragedy results shouldn't you pay?
    In some cases, this is how the law works. I read of a case where a guy left his car running while he went to a deli to buy a sandwich. Some guys stole it and ran over some folks with it. Sandwich guy is charged with a crime, not sure what exactly.

    That's a case where IMHO the guy should not have been charged, as he was the victim of a crime, and robbery of guns from one's home should also not make the victim guilty of the crime. But, leaving a dangerous weapon where a child can easily get at it is a different situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdave View Post
    Camel's nose alert! By this standard where does your culpability end?

    1: If you have no children at home but truants break into your home and mishandle your weapon with tragic results are you responsible?

    2: If your collection is stolen by professional thieves and later turn up at various and sundry crime scenes are you responsible?

    3: Leave the gun out of it what if your vehicle,tools,medications or liquor is stolen and tragedy results shouldn't you pay?
    1: No, they were committing a felon by breaking in and touching a gun that did not belong to them.

    2: No, they committed a felon and stole guns that were properly stored and locked up.

    3: No, again. They committed the crimes, not my responsibility. I have no problem taking responsibility for any mistakes I might make, but crimes committed against me or others by others are not my responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBeau View Post
    1: No, they were committing a felon by breaking in and touching a gun that did not belong to them.

    2: No, they committed a felon and stole guns that were properly stored and locked up.

    3: No, again. They committed the crimes, not my responsibility. I have no problem taking responsibility for any mistakes I might make, but crimes committed against me or others by others are not my responsibility.
    My point!
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    The idea of my little ones finding a loaded gun and shooting themselves scares the crap out of me. I will never understand why someone, criminal or not, would put their firearm in a place where a little one could get a hold of it. Stupid, stupid stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Gee, a felon with a firearm, how did he manage to do that with all those background checks before you can buy one? Also NC is one of those states that REQUIRE a license to own a pistol. Good thing they have that in place to keep handguns out of the hands of "bad guys".
    A license is required for purchase only not for ownership.
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    A pamphlet containing this warning and a signed statement saying you received said pamphlet is required for any firearm LEGGALY purchased in North Carolina.

    Naturally criminals are not required to comply.

    Any retail or wholesale store that sells firearms shall conspicuously post at each purchase counter the following warning in block letters not less than one inch in height the phrase: ``IT IS UNLAWFUL TO STORE A FIREARM THAT CAN BE DISCHARGED IN A MANNER THAT A REASONABLE PERSON SHOULD KNOW IS ACCESSIBLE TO A MINOR.''
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    The father is 19? I thought that you had to be 21 to purchase or possess a handgun. Regardless, it's sad that a 2 year old is dead because of her fathers carelessness.
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