Honest CCL question
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October 22nd, 2013 12:27 AM
Honest CCL question
I have been living in Mississippi for the last 12 years and haven't applied for my CCL. I had one in Alabama and know that it wouldn't be more in Mississippi than filling out some paperwork, paying for the license, and proving who I am and where I live. I have one nagging question that has kept me from applying the last 2 years. I am mega pro 2nd amendment and will never surrender my firearms. The events in the last few years and the constant crying from the uneducated liberals have me a little concerned about the Federal Government. Mississippi has stated that the CCL list in the state is NOT public information. In fact we have recently passed an open carry law to show how the majority feel down here. My nagging question is, what will the State Government do if the Feds "demand" to have the States list of CCL's? I am not paranoid at all, but I have already stated that I will never surrender my firearms to ANYBODY. I can't see the police department, Sheriffs office, or the State police collecting, in fact I can't see the Military collecting weapons from American citizens on American soil. The military has sworn to protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! I can however see the Feds ie DHS trying to collect known firearms. Do you think the States will do what's right and tell the Feds that they lost that list and don't have it anymore, or will they cave in to the pressure the Feds could bring by cutting off Federal monies to the state? I have been told that this forum is the one to have rational discussions on, so let's discuss.
October 22nd, 2013 12:39 AM
Katrina, nuff said about who will collect what on a city level. I dont think a nation wide collection is possible though. Wife had the same questions about getting hers this past weekend and had put it off for several years because of it.
I know tons that wont get a CCL here because of going on paper here in Ky when one can be armed with no papers permits or records at all legally by buying privately and no CCDW.
. But wife figured she was marked anyway because I have had mine since it was made legal here to CC. Knowing what I know now not sure I would have done it though back then. Too late now though that horse left the barn already.
You dont have to believe a train is coming. Itll run over you anyway.
October 22nd, 2013 01:51 AM
People tend to get fairly motivated (softened) when they're denied the ability to feed themselves. Plenty have already shown themselves fully willing to execute such presumed unlawful orders ... whether it be for breaking up peaceful demonstrations, confiscating this or that, or whatever. The changes recently in many states are heartening along the lines of the 2A. But never forget that the states themselves are almost all implementers of unconstitutional infringements as well. It's endemic. No telling where the line will be drawn, if basically any and all infringement is considered kosher and just. Confiscation in times of emergency can be easily justified by many ... statutes prohibiting such behavior or not. You never know what someone's prepared to do when threatened with failure to feed his family (aka, being sacked "for cause").
Originally Posted by Elapid
October 22nd, 2013 02:02 AM
It would most likely be carried out as a law passed, (unconstitutionally of course) which would mandate all types of this caliber, this shot, this type of action(semi auto lever, pump etc) would be illegal to have.
Then once you are found with a weapon on the blacklist, off to the hoosegow you go.
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October 22nd, 2013 02:08 AM
I guess as I see it, having the license doesn't mean they know what guns you have, it just means you're a person very likely to have a gun. Which they probably know already.
Besides, they just spent three years making an insurance registration website that can't collect people's information when they WANT to give it. I'm not impressed by their data collection abilities. It's government - telling them something is probably the best way to make sure they don't know it.
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October 22nd, 2013 02:16 AM
Really, there is no way of knowing the answer to that question. Talk is cheap. It's only when the pressure is brought to bear that we can see who has the strength of his convictions.
October 22nd, 2013 02:18 AM
Originally Posted by Hoganbeg
Exactly the sentiment and wisdom behind the Gadsden flag ... for all the same reasons we're discussing.
Motivations can be powerful. The "ultimate" motivation can be equally powerful, that of the citizen resisting abuse of his liberties.
October 22nd, 2013 05:26 AM
I wouldn't worry about it. The Feds already know you've got guns. Despite assurances to the contrary, every legal purchase of firearms is being recorded for posterity aka "registration."
Yeah, I know, they assure us they don't do that. It's not "legal."
Since when has "legality" have anything to do with what the Federal government does? As long as they feel they won't get caught, they'll do it.
In the scheme of things, whether or not you have a CCL is small taters.
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October 22nd, 2013 06:07 AM
Disagree, and agree. In most states, not all lawful sales are required to be on-radar types via FFL shops, as private transactions are not criminalized. Though as you suggest, in the end it won't matter much whether one's been tracked via one method or another, to the governing few who've shown precious little compunction to ignore constitutionality or legality when pressed.
Originally Posted by NETim
But the fact remains that in a situation like that, where the hired staff attempts to disarm the owners and operators (we, the People), then that is going to be the time when remaining heavily armed will be most important. To all of us.
October 22nd, 2013 09:12 AM
Any purchase through a FFL is on record on a national basis. Privates sales in most states aren't.
As to states giving up the information, on who has a carry permit. If it is in a computer data base the Fed's already have it, if they want it.
I don't worry about it, many more important things to worry about.
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October 22nd, 2013 09:36 AM
Heck, lately they don't even care if they will get caught!
Originally Posted by NETim
License, no license... If your going to worry about "Someone" knowing you've got guns, do you really think it'll make an difference if have a state record? Just being on this forum is a tag that you are a gun owner. If you start worrying about it you'll wind up going bonkers.
October 22nd, 2013 09:58 AM
Look at it this way - your scenario is such a departure from the current status quo that you would have to be blind to not see it coming and be without ample time to secure your weapons.
That scenario is also highly unlikely, even with the current administration, and so fraught with danger from an enforcement standpoint that I would place it on my list of minor concerns. Join the NRA and/or GOA, vote, etc. We'll keep them.
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October 22nd, 2013 01:06 PM
In my humble opinions;
I am not paranoid at all, but I have already stated that I will never surrender my firearms to ANYBODY. I can't see the police department, Sheriffs office, or the State police collecting, in fact I can't see the Military collecting weapons from American citizens on American soil. The military has sworn to protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! I can however see the Feds ie DHS trying to collect known firearms. Do you think the States will do what's right and tell the Feds that they lost that list and don't have it anymore, or will they cave in to the pressure the Feds could bring by cutting off Federal monies to the state?
It is hard not to sound paranoid just like it is hard not to sound like a liberal. You do not sound paranoid or liberal. I fear the same things and am neither either. This discussion raised a good point I had not considered as far as being on a list for the wrong reasons. Hard for me to admit but in early years I allowed my CHL (in Texas it is a Concealed Handgun License) to expire. I along with My wife and oldest daughter are going to take the CHL class. On one hand it makes me wonder if they should. The answer is that I would rather they be on a list and have the means to protect themselves rather than give up that legal right due to a government that desperately attempts instills fear in those that choose to be lawful abiding citizens with the ability to thwart a single act of injustice that would otherwise effect their lives and the lives of innocent law abiding American human beings around them. This is one reason why we choose to be law abiding American citizens, is it not? This is also why we are faced with and undeniably threatened with certain forms of tyranny making us feel paranoid and labeled such.
I really do not like using labels but sometimes it is difficult not to. IMHO,part of Okingee care is absolutely a beginning to the disarming of Americans through the data collection that one day will be turned into a bad, up to date, list and then used for this very purpose.
The States sadly will almost always cave to the money supply. In my heart and mind I can pick the states that will give into tyranny in numeriacl order and I also feel a few certain number of states never will. God bless Texas as being one of them. Yes its hot here in the summer but there is always room for it to get a little hotter.
I am 100% with you, If anyone wishes to take my weapon, they will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.
This is my favorite topic so far here. Thanks for starting it Elapid. Hope you don't mind but I am going to break it down into a few more along the way.
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October 22nd, 2013 01:13 PM
OP I see your point but to not get a CCL because you are worried they will know you have a gun is not a good reason IMO. They already have a good idea I have guns because of background checks when I bought new guns and also because I buy a hunting license every year.
If you are really worried about them knowing you have firearms then buy a boat. It seems like someone on this forum loses all their weapons in a boating accident on a weekly basis.
October 22nd, 2013 01:22 PM
Well, they can come looking, but sadly I lost all of my guns in a freak boating accident.
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