What My CCW Class Instructor Said VS "Real Life"

What My CCW Class Instructor Said VS "Real Life"

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    So, several months back when I took my CCW permit class here in TN, my instructor (a seasoned LEO of 20+ years) told the class he was not in favor of open carry. This was after I asked him his opinion on it. I was not aware at the time of the laws concerning open vs concealed carry in TN. His basic "logic" was along the following: If a "concerned citizen" flags him down because "Joe Sixpack" has a gun on his hip at the mall, he as a LEO, has to stop the citizen, ask him if he has a license to carry legally, file a report of the incident, causing a big scene and so on. It usually ends up embarrassing the person carrying the gun, wasting the LEO's time even though he/she is obligated to do the above, etc. Therefor, he was more in favor of concealed carry vs open. Thought I would post this in Concealed Carry Issues vs the Open Carry forum so I didn't come off as a troll looking to stir the proverbial stink.

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    Minnesota is a permit-to-carry state. You can openly carry or carry concealed. When I give a class I tell my students exactly that, however I also give them the downside of open carry, that being the fact that they will probably have a rude encounter with uninformed LEOs until the latter gets educated about our carry law. Besides, you give the bad guys an advantage if they know who is carrying. They will likely take you out first if they see that you are carrying openly.
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    You know what opinions are like and everyone has one. I don't understand why he would have to file a report on asking you a question. Does he file a report on every encounter he has with a citizen? It sounds like he was making his 'recommendation' out of laziness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwrdaben View Post
    So, several months back when I took my CCW permit class here in TN, my instructor (a seasoned LEO of 20+ years) told the class he was not in favor of open carry. This was after I asked him his opinion on it. I was not aware at the time of the laws concerning open vs concealed carry in TN. His basic "logic" was along the following: If a "concerned citizen" flags him down because "Joe Sixpack" has a gun on his hip at the mall, he as a LEO, has to stop the citizen, ask him if he has a license to carry legally, file a report of the incident, causing a big scene and so on. It usually ends up embarrassing the person carrying the gun, wasting the LEO's time even though he/she is obligated to do the above, etc. Therefor, he was more in favor of concealed carry vs open. Thought I would post this in Concealed Carry Issues vs the Open Carry forum so I didn't come off as a troll looking to stir the proverbial stink.

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    Maybe Law Enforcement Officers retired and active should spend more time upholding their oath i.e. investigating real crimes, .vs using their badges and uniforms as bullies to voice their opinions or agendas.
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    I just had to go do the 'Mandatory' CCW class in NV, because NV instrudtors conned the NV LEO into believing that AZ, or other permit holders were sub standard.....................

    Thank god I did not video the instruction and advice we got at the class, substandard and nothing you would would like to stand a legal argument on, if you had to.

    Sick and very poor. However, I shelled out a few bucks to BUY BACK my rights to carry.

    As for Open Carry, I really do not have any problem with it, when appropriate, in the right place and time. Too bad, right now, Open Carry is a potential for a 'panic momement for soccer Dads (no balls men) to pitch a fit over nothing they even know of, even when it is totally legal to Open Carry. I openly blame the LEO for not educating the normal citizen on what is legal or not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyAirdale View Post
    Minnesota is a permit-to-carry state. You can openly carry or carry concealed. When I give a class I tell my students exactly that, however I also give them the downside of open carry, that being the fact that they will probably have a rude encounter with uninformed LEOs until the latter gets educated about our carry law. Besides, you give the bad guys an advantage if they know who is carrying. They will likely take you out first if they see that you are carrying openly.
    Yea he also mentioned the off the wall scenarios where Ricky bursts into wherever with his AK-47 and "who do you think he'll target first?" Joe Smith with a gun open on his hip...or you carrying concealed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwrdaben View Post
    So, several months back when I took my CCW permit class here in TN, my instructor (a seasoned LEO of 20+ years) told the class he was not in favor of open carry. This was after I asked him his opinion on it. I was not aware at the time of the laws concerning open vs concealed carry in TN. His basic "logic" was along the following: If a "concerned citizen" flags him down because "Joe Sixpack" has a gun on his hip at the mall, he as a LEO, has to stop the citizen, ask him if he has a license to carry legally, file a report of the incident, causing a big scene and so on. It usually ends up embarrassing the person carrying the gun, wasting the LEO's time even though he/she is obligated to do the above, etc. Therefor, he was more in favor of concealed carry vs open. Thought I would post this in Concealed Carry Issues vs the Open Carry forum so I didn't come off as a troll looking to stir the proverbial stink.

    Thoughts?
    That's his opinion....everyone has one. His is no more valid than mine.
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    There are times and places where OC is appropriate. For me, going to town OC and scaring many voting Grannies, Soccer Moms, Teachers and other voters who are afraid of firearms, + the 'Man-With-Gun-Calls', make City OC scary to many who will certainly vote against Gun-Rights.... we don't need that.

    Look at all the low-info "Mommie-Groups-Against-Firearms" whining now.
    Also, OC is a tactically unsound mode of carry if in street clothes.

    OC is great for being around other shooters, or when danger is imminent, but 99% of the time, CC is preferable for many reasons.
    During my years as a LEO (plainclothes) it was to "MY" advantage to keep my sidearm concealed.
    An OC sidearm makes you a fine target + the first to be shot during a robbery by a criminal who knows better to show his sidearm before it is necessary.
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    I'm not embarrassed at all. They're the ones that end up looking like idiots after I walk away without ever having identified myself.
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    As has been famously written: "There is a time for everything under the sun." And that includes a time to conceal and a time to OC, a time
    to carry and a time to leave it home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Maybe Law Enforcement Officers retired and active should spend more time upholding their oath i.e. investigating real crimes, .vs using their badges and uniforms as bullies to voice their opinions or agendas.
    Are they not allowed to have opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Are they not allowed to have opinions?

    Yes, they are, just as you and I are. I think what gets people perturbed is when they offer their opinions as fact (#3 and #10 above), especially when they are instructors in a class....

    If I have just paid good money to take a class I would appreciate the Law, not a lot of opinion....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Are they not allowed to have opinions?
    They are...it's when they abuse the oath of office to influence others is where the line has been crossed.
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