December 9th, 2006 11:17 AM
Witnessed Man Getting Gun Confiscated.....
....in the Federal building in Miami.
I was checking in with the nice private security guards like I usually did this week. As I was signing the LEO book at the front, there were four or five guards surrounding a friendly looking older gent who had documents in his hands. I overheard some of the guards tell him that bringing a concealed firearm onto Federal property was against the law. Some of the other guards summoned for Federal Protective Service (FPS) police officers, who promptly showed up.
One of those FPS officers reviewed the guy's gun, a short-barreled (2" or less) .38 Special revolver that had seen better days since it's nickled finish was peeling.
One FPS officer was saying, I think to no one in particular, the crimes the gent broke in going through security without stating that he had a firearm on his person.
I didn't hang around, but the next day, I asked the duty private security supervisor about the incident; he told me the guy attempted to get out of the stop by saying he was a security person himself (they checked, he wasn't; if you lie to LE or private security empowered as agents of the gov't, it's not smart to tell an obvious lie or one that can be readily verified...that alone is a felony offense in the Fed world) and he bore a CCW permit, which he apparently did.....emphasis on the word "did" (past tense) since that will likely be revoked as he was arrested by FPS.
I didn't ask the specific statutes the man was getting hit with, but there were at least two (one is for making false statements).
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December 9th, 2006 11:26 AM
Having A CCW Permit...
also means that you should be VERY aware of the 'rules' under which you are allowed to carry.
What kind of a facility was it?
Concealed is supposed to mean concealed...was he physically searched?
In Florida, the post office has always been a 'debate' about CCW, but in that case...for me...concealed means concealed.
The bottom line for this gent seems to have been not being truthful after being found out...that'll sink you...
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December 9th, 2006 11:29 AM
Gotta wonder what he was thinking?
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December 9th, 2006 11:38 AM
It's the Pepper Federal Building in downtown Miami...which houses multiple Federal agencies. Fed buildings, like this one, have metal detectors, x-ray machines, and signs that state that persons and their possessions are subject to search and carriage of any kind of weapon is illegal. They will not "hold" a weapon for you either....at least the Federal buildings I've been to will not, regardless if the visitor has a CCW permit or not.
Originally Posted by retsupt99
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December 9th, 2006 11:44 AM
A fool and his gun are soon parted.
Did this guy try to get through a metal detector? Almost every federal building I've entered usually has a metal detection inspection station or a guard with a sidearm and lots of signs saying no weapons.
December 9th, 2006 11:50 AM
Strikes me the guy was basically foolish and thoughtless. Maybe he thought his CCW and age would ''cut it'' but as he found out - no dice. Totally avoidable and stupid to tell lies.
I recall with some amusement, a visit I made to a Fed building in Pitt - back when I was going thru all my INS stuff. I had removed all items from my person, pointy and otherwise before entering. I did tho still have on my vest which had metal buttons and the machine bleeped. Took that off and went thru.
The security guy saw my (empty) holster and proceeded to tell me in great detail how it was an offence to bring weapons into a Fed building! Yeah, right - that was why the rig was empty!
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December 9th, 2006 12:01 PM
I am a private security officer myself and i dont see how telling them he was one as well would excuse his lack of knoledge about the law. If i break a law or am in the middle of other guards, im probubly going to pull the "badge" and try to get a free pass. Would be nice, but nah i have more pride than that and a higher scence of the law.
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December 9th, 2006 12:42 PM
Lying to the Man. Not smart. Not smart at all.
December 9th, 2006 12:55 PM
I get into the Federal Building in Minneapolis occasionally to visit VA and DAV. The security there is tighter, more professional and more vigilant than any airport. So, you'd have to be catatonic to not know you should leave the gun behind, and certainly you could not possibly forget you had one on your person.
So, one day wife and I got to that building. Ahead of us a little old man of about age 80, wearing a sport coat. The detector beeps, so an officer approaches him and they figure out what did it, a tin of Altoids mints.
Again, he goes through and signal goes off. Now, the guards are quite alert and again, after going through many pockets, another tin of Altoids...now they look inside the two tins to see what is in them, even sniff the mints.
Third trip through, again an alert. Now, three security guards cluster around him, poised to grab him. This time, they do the honors of searching his pockets. In his shirt breast pocket, you guessed it, another tin of Altoids....more looking and sniffing.
Fourth trip, no beep, a lot of nervous chuckling by all and he's on his way.
On another visit, I show my DOD ID at the gate. The guard asks, "You aren't planning on taking your concealed handgun in, are you?" Anticipating this visit, and knowing the law is gray about the parking lot (no flaming please), I had left it home. I answered "No" and proceeded to park the car.
I couldn't figure out how he knew that I had a permit. So, I walked back to the guard shack and asked him about that. He said that when I drew my ID out of my wallet, he caught a glimpse of the edge of my Minnesota carry permit. A little gun talk and I was on my way.
If you ever visit a Federal Building, do it by the book, for they are alert, and appear willing to hook you up and haul you off if you mess up....
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December 9th, 2006 12:56 PM
I'm sure he "alerted" as he was going through the walk-through metal detector and then was busted when the guards did a secondary screening of the man.
Originally Posted by whitestone
This is the third time I've witnessed a private citizen get caught at the security screening area attempting to enter a controlled area with a firearm.....once, each, at Newark-Liberty and Atlanta-Hartsfield International Airports, and now this time.
The Newark stop was somewhat funny.....a co-worker and I were during U/C security checks at one of the security screening areas (this was a few years prior to 9/11, so the screeners were private screeners contracted by the air carriers). They passed the test.
As I was doing the paperwork, a screener screams "CSS," "CSS" (checkpoint security supervisor). I look at the X-ray monitor only to see the very familiar shape of a firearm in a bag. I look around the monitor to see who owned the bag....I thought it was my co-worker who might have been running another test? Nope it was some guy trying to catch his flight to FL. His girlfriend was escorting him to the gate. The guy had his gun packed in a carry-on bag and failed to declare it to the screeners prior introducing it to the security screening process.....oops (for him).
Well, Port Authority PD responds with a pair of officer, latter supplemented with another pair since the guy started getting argumentative, demanding he did nothing wrong since he had a FL CCW permit which made him legal to carry concealed. I nicely explained to him that he needed to re-read the FL statutes...it only allowed him to carry in FL and those states that granted reciprocity...NJ certainly not being one of those states and more so, a CCW permit did not matter one iota at an airport's security screening area and/or sterile area.
His GF insisted that she packed his bags, so they should detain her and not him. Well, she wasn't detained, he didn't catch his flight since he as arrested by PAPD (happily by the responding officers since the guy gave them a hard time), and I'm sure he lost his gun and CCW permit too.
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December 9th, 2006 01:53 PM
December 9th, 2006 07:35 PM
I had a near miss at the Federal building in Seattle once. I was downtown and I remember I needed som tax forms, so I headed to the Fed building. As I was walking up to the door I noticed the metal detectors and remembered that I was carrying not only my pistol but also 2 knives. My about face at the door probably looked suspicious but I never went through them. If a person is distracted at all it would be easy to forget and walk on through.
December 9th, 2006 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by rocky
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
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December 9th, 2006 07:54 PM
An honest mistake is one thing, but lying in attempt to get away with it is another.
Originally Posted by raevan
December 9th, 2006 08:49 PM
I've never actually gone through the process yet, but the Puerto Rico Federal Building (houses the US District Court and all kinds of federal offices - FBI/DEA/ATF/VA/Social Security/etc), as well as the Metro VA Hospital, seem to be gun friendly - they will keep your handgun at the security office while you do your business there.
VA Hospital appears to be the best one, as it has lockers with double keyed padlocks - you put the gun in, close the locker door, you lock it up, you keep one key, desk sgt keeps the other one, no one messes with your gun.
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