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    1911 question

    Cocked and locked?
    Hammer down and locked?
    Hammer down not locked?

    How do you carry and why?



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    Condition 1, period. That's the way J.M. Browning designed it to be carried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger View Post
    Condition 1, period. That's the way J.M. Browning designed it to be carried.
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    Oh boy, this one gets asked frequently, but I guess it's been a few months.

    Condition One (cocked and locked), exclusively. Why? Because I won't carry a gun that's not ready to shoot, which means I have one in the chamber. With a 1911, the safest way to carry the gun with a round chambered is with the hammer cocked, and the thumb safety engaged. This blocks the sear, which can't be done with the hammer in any other position.

    BTW, while I suppose there may be an exception out there somewhere, with a 1911 there is no "hammer down and locked" condition.
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    There are two basic schools of thought here:

    Cocked and locked is faster to bring into play but requires a fine motor skill to do so, which can be problematic under extreme stress. This can be alleviated with a big safety lever, and through extensive training. IMO this is an expert's carry mode for defensive purposes.

    No round chambered, safety off, hammer down is slower to bring into play and may require two hands if your rear sight sucks, but needs only gross motor skills. The lack of dependency on fine motor skills is why Fairbairn and Sykes recommended this mode of carry. This mode requires less training to be used under combat stress.

    My two cents: I think racking the slide is dumb today. The double action pistol has obsoleted this mode of carry as the way to avoid fine motor bottlenecks during a defensive draw. If you are going to carry a 1911, carry it in condition 1 and be an expert with it.


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    Condition 1 "Cocked and locked" for me
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    condition 1
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    Condition 1 The 1911 has been around for better than 100 years. Cocked and locked, 1 click and she's ready to rock!!
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    Cocked and locked with a round chambered.
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    since no one has really answered "why", here it is...

    The Colt Government Model was designed to be carried "cocked and locked".

    It is the safest way to carry it. Using the half cock notch in where the hammer barely sits off of the firing pin is not a safe way to carry it because if it was dropped, the weight of the gun impacting the ground has been known to overcome that small notch and allow it to break. If it hits something in which the grip safety gets depressed, it would allow it to fire.

    Back in the days of its infancy, it was a popular weapon for Calvary. The gun was in fact cocked and when hostile action was close, it was actually carried with the safety off using the grip safety to keep it from accidently firing. The mounted soldier simply drew the pistol and fired. It was quick and it was accurate enough to become the fighting pistol that everyone wanted. It was much easier to load on horseback and it was safer to carry than the then standard Colt .45 Revolvers which if carried with a full cylinder, were prone to being fired if dropped on the hammer. It was common back then to only load 5 rounds to avoid mishaps. The fact the Government Model could safely be carried with 8 rounds was a big improvement over what they had.

    There is no reason to carry a Government Model in any way other than the hammer back with the safety engaged.

    If one isn't confident enough in their ability to safely use or carry one cocked and locked, then more training is in order.
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    Is this not a sticky?

    It should be
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    Sticky #2 - 67 pages for your perusal.A lot of the responses deal with the 1911.
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    Cocked and locked. Period.

    Lowering the hammer on a 1911 with one in the chamber is an accidental discharge waiting to happen. Don't do it.

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