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    The 4 Rules of Firearms Safety:

    1. Handle all firearms as if they were loaded.

    2. Never point the gun at anything you're not willing to destroy.

    3. Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you have made the decision to fire the weapon.

    4. Know your target, and know what is beyond the target.



    Are you talking about the photo of me holding the gun by the target? No, my finger is not on the trigger, or inside the guard. You can see my finger through the trigger guard, but my finger is just outside of it, touching the side of the guard. There is a touch of light that can make it look like I'm in violation, but if you look closely you will see that I'm in the clear.
    Here, let's try this... an attachment...

    Yeah, I can see how you would think the finger is in the guard... but it's not.

    It's alright guys... no offense taken or anything. It's all good. Keeping us on our toes. Safety is Everything.
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    Question for Tim

    I've looked at the mission statement of the USCCA, and I hope this isn't a dumb question. Why do you think TV, radio and print advertising is the way to accomplish the USCCA's mission? What differentiates USCCA from other pro-carry organizations?
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    Hi Tom,
    Great question. I think the USCCA's mission can best be accomplished by slowly changing the way the general public thinks about firearms, self-defense and concealed carry. We will expose your average "gun-neutral" American citizen to regular "mainstream media" and "non-traditional" advertisements that portray people like us in an appealing, responsible, and family oriented light. We'll help these "gun-neutral" Americans to realize that the concept of self-defense is powerful and liberating. We'll SELL the heck out of it!

    In essence, we'll try and UN-DO all the the negative selling that has been going on for such a long time! How will we be able to afford this? Well, the TV ads probably won't happen for awhile. But we're already working on an AUDIO verson of Concealed Carry Magazine. This will be in the format of a 20-25 minute re-cap of each issue. It will be the perfect thing to give or send to a person to help them to understand the principles of self defense that we all so strongly believe in.

    A lot of people ask me, "Tim, does the USCCA have any lobyists in Washington?" Well, we sure don't have any yet, and I guess I question the long term value of lobbying congress. The NRA sure does a lot of lobbying and they certainly get lots of bills passed into laws. That is great. I am a proud member of the NRA and at least they do what they say they're going to do. I think the USCCA can help the cause by doing even more.

    Let me ask you a question. What will it really take for our country to recognize the ORIGINAL INTENT of the Second Amendent?

    I'll tell you what it will take. It will take our country turning back into a country full of a majority of citizens who understand and believe in the values of self-defense, firearms, and in turn the concept of concealed carry. The only way to do that is by slowly educating our fellow "gun-neutral" American citizens. The NRA is doing a fine job playing defense but the USCCA is going to play offense. The USCCA will be a source of positive information that will help convince people that "gun laws" are worthless in reducing crime not to mention unconstitutional. When this happens, "anti-gun" congressmen will be as rare as an M14 totin' liberal.

    Now I am sure that some of you are reading this and thinking, "Wow, this guy has his head in the clouds." Well, maybe I do. I believe it is better to struggle and strive for a lofty goal than to successfully achieve an easily attainable goal. The USCCA will live by this principle.

    The USCCA will grow to be a very large organization. We will use our "gun-evangelism" message to teach others the value of self-defense and the value of the gun as the great equalizer.

    Tom, I hope that answers your question. Thanks for the opportunity to talk about the USCCA.

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    Tim - good stuff. Only way to go is to ''aim high'' - tho the logistics are in some cases pretty daunting - certainly when it comes to fiscal matters.

    But as ever - ''Outa little acorns - oak trees shall grow'' ..... that is the approach to follow, as you seem to describe.

    You have as you are aware - allies here and tho we may not be able to do a whole lot in an obvious sense - it is at least another support base for you, even if quite small. There is a lot of uphill work ahead... or call it ''turning the tide'' too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccm-tim
    Now I am sure that some of you are reading this and thinking, "Wow, this guy has his head in the clouds." Well, maybe I do. I believe it is better to struggle and strive for a lofty goal than to successfully achieve an easily attainable goal. The USCCA will live by this principle.
    Well, Tim, you won't hear that from me. I think we have to start somewhere. And it's not going to happen with us all just sitting around wanting it to. Rather than lobbying, which I agree isn't effective unless an organization is as large as the NRA, maybe you want to send legislators that are borderline or "on the fence" a copy of the magazine and some background material including defensive statistics, the number of permit holders in the various states, the small numbers associated with crimes committed by permit holders, etc. By doing that you would be their source of material, and the magazine would show that permit holders really are, average law-abiding citizens that have a concern for the safety of their family and themselves.

    I applaud you for your efforts, Tim and think you will make a difference over the long term. Keep up the good work.
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    Thanks, Tim, for the thoughtful reply. Sorry to have posted a question and then gone out of town, like that.

    I'm glad you said what you did. In my own experience, some of the graphics at a-human-right have provoked the most thought. When people actually think about it, engage their brains, they seem to shake off the cobwebs. The pat gun control answers ring hollow and don't seem to make as much sense in the face of stark scenarios. They can't help but project themselves into what they see.

    What will it take for our country to recognize the ORIGINAL INTENT of the Second Amendment? Frankly, I don't think it will happen until we are again faced with a threat on our own soil, against which our standing military and para-military units are inadequate. Or, the darkest of dark thoughts, almost too difficult to ponder, until we are faced with a government we can no longer accept, and realize that we need to be as well-armed as our military and police. Of course, if we are talking original intent, then we must consider that the men who drafted it had personal knowledge of a time when the country had little or no standing army, when the Crown sought to confiscate the public stores of black powder kept for the common defense of its subjects, when every man needed to be as well armed as his adversary. And yet, the RKBA was a subject of debate even in the 1780's between those who remembered and those among the elite who already felt threatened by an armed populace.

    Ask the citizens who had to defend their homes against the French, the Indians, the Rebel or Union raiders. Ask the pioneers who had to defend their homesteads in the absence of the army and local lawmen. They got it. Ask those who had to defend their homes and businesses in the riots of Memphis and Los Angeles. Ask those who come from behind the Iron Curtain. Ask those who are faced with the reality of choosing between fighting and being a good witness while they wait for the police. They get it. But for the country to come around, as a whole, the country will have to be in that position, I think. Until we are again faced with the necessity of taking up arms, it will not be perceived by most as a...necessity.

    Don't get me wrong. Your goals are worthy. I think you will reach those who are willing to listen and able to think. Some, perhaps the majority, will not accept the truth until they have no choice and are forced, though, perhaps too late. Still, we have no choice but to do what we may.
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    I thought the article on the WarriorTalk Symposeum was very well done and provided good coverage on the diversity of material that was presented.

    [Someone sent me a photocopy of the article, so that's all I've seen from the April issue.]

    Tom Givens now has that article available on his website. www.Rangemaster.com

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    Nice one - again!

    Tim - got my new mag yesterday and have flipped thru just now prior to a fuill digestive word4word read when time.

    NICE!! heck - the quality just gets better - great pics - and nice layout. I do hope subscriptions are increasing now - hate to think of all the folks who may be missing out on this.

    Good to see George's good article on Springer Ultra and - another bonus - page 12, the article by Kathy - who is of course ''pax'' and moderator over on THR.

    Thank you. You done good (again!).
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    Thanks Chris. There is a brief followup for this article in the next issue... but you can get the drift of that here:
    http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=3047
    As much as a love Berettas, SIGs, and CZ's... there is just something about a good 1911 that you can't quite articulate... but it's like "there is the 1911, and then there is everything else." But that Ultra Compact is now on my "Most Wanted List".

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    Another great article by Mark Walters on the idiocy of "gunfree zones". The star of this month's issue, though, is George's review. I normally give little credibility to gun reviews in the gun magazines. They're always favorable . Well, obviously, George pulls no punches in his reviews. Keep up the good work, George.

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    How could I write a fluff piece about a gun that has problems or is known to have problems? I don't see how some writers do that and get away with it. I'm known on 4 or 5 gunboards, and my own website. If I was to write a fluff piece, I'd loose all credibility because you guys would know I was lying. That, and what if someone was to have purchased the gun for their CCW work on my recomendation... and then it jams up on them like crazy or when they needed it.
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    It should be a given that that is your attitude, George, but with many other reviewers (in other magazines) unfortunately it's not. Keep up the good work!
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    Thumbs down I'm sorry, the latest edition cover picture has got to go.

    I have to ask, what does a kid shooting what appears to be an air rifle have to do with Conceald Carry? The first thought I had was, "oh no they are branching out to other areas of guns". It will no longer be a magazine devoted to concealed carry issues only.

    I havn't read the article yet and I have no problem with the concept of it, but why on the cover? I can see this on the cover of almost any other gun mag., especially an NRA one but not Concealed Carry. I have to tell you, this is disapointing.

    All I can say is please stick to what we have come to like best about your magazine. It deals with concealed carry only.
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    Teaching basic gun safety and marksmanship is pretty much a foundation activity for any shooting sport or activity... including concealed carry. So in essence, it has everything to do with concealed carry. The basic fundamentals learned there, work with .22 rifles and .38 Special J-Frames. Not only that, but any and every experienced shooter should take the time to teach youth about firearms and firearm safety.

    I read in the news the other day that in Arizona school kids can take as an elective course, Gun Safety classes. This is outstanding and this how we will eventually win back our universal RKBA rights... which will in turn effect our individual rights for packing our concealed carry handguns.

    I like the cover.

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