Thanks Tim @ CC Mag

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    I'm torn on the issue. While I prefer a more purely CCW oriented magazine, as a father, I welcome any good press about kids and guns. As long as the overall focus remains CCW, I won't complain.

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    While I agree with George Hill about firearms safety and introducing a child to the shooting sports being very improtant, I do not see the need for this to be the cover picture on a magazine devoted to concealed carry. I don't think any of us are going to be carrying an air rifle or any rifle concealed, and I don't think anyone as young as the boy pictured will be able to obtain a CCW permit from any state in the union.

    Like I said, this picture and article would be well placed in any of the NRA magazines, or some of the other shooting sports magazines, but I'm sorry I just don't see it's place in this magazine.
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    havegunjoe - I don't feel as strongly as you on this tho - as a technicality I'd agree it is not Carry per se.

    However my thinking is that we need new blood in shooting and tho this pic has no carry flavor, it does satisfy my wish to be seeing kids brought in. They have to start somewhere and until old enough, can hardly be seen as ''junior carriers''

    I daresay Tim may have anticipated a mixed reception on this one but also remember that he was asking for suggestions or pics for cover use - seeing as it is (I am sure) quite a headache finding good material for same.

    The one thing (on reflection) that would have been great - was to see Kathy on near side of her boy, sporting her carry piece - that would have made a very nice scene for me. I daresay tho this was already a pic she had available.
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    P95Carry I agree having Kathy sporting a carry gun would have made this picture acceptable for this venue. Without that, and I know everyone is pro teaching kids about guns, just as I am, I simply think it detracts from the main focus of this magazine. I'm just hoping that this is not a trend for the magazine or some new focus taking them outside of concealed carry issues. I want them to understand that if it is they will loose me as a customer. Let's hear from Tim on this issue.
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    I basically agree w/ havgunjoe. Please,please,stay fixated on CCW. Also the "belt" that the lady is wearing in the pic on page(s)34,35,36------- well------- HUH ???

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    Oops - hadn't noticed the belt!!! Hmmm.
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    Concealed carry of firearms cannot exist without a general culture of firearms to support and sustain it.

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    So where is the line, Phil? Are we forced then to show close-ups of the kids feet for fear of alienating the shoe and sock industries?

    Granted, this sounds like an innocent incidence, and quite frankly I'd like to see kids learn respect for firearms, along with respect in general.

    The problem with specialty magazines and 'house organs' is that by stating an area of expertise, like "sheep castrating," I had better then be seeing castralto lambs if they're taking my money.

    Same with any other informational vehicle. You purchase the 'interior decorator' issue of GQ to get some insight on autumn fashions, and you find 100 pages on the airline industry because the editor just lost his luggage. You've been hoodwinked.

    There are many people who believe that accurate information has already been stifled because of the generous advertising pages secured by producers. If a rifle shows up in a handgun rag, can I assume that the client has said, "Feature my rifle or I pull my ad."

    In the end, I think products of all kinds prosper because of uncompromising standards. Look at the business model of Dillon Precision. They replace anything, no question. Is giving away merchandise a shrewd move for customer service? Well, it must be--they are always expanding.

    The example is minor. The principle is important. That is, unless you want me to go over your favorite knife and make it "sort of sharp."

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    Actually I'm with Phil on this one.

    Sure this young man is surely not qualified for a CCW permit or to own any sort of firearm yet, but he's on his way.

    You gotta start somewhere. Honestly in what way is your first .22 rifle so different from your Daisy?

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    So then, an oragami lesson on folding paper airplanes would be alright in a magazine about military aircraft. Heck, you have to start somewhere.

    Or how about a kids magazine called SWISH. After all, they're too small to really SWAT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Elmore
    Concealed carry of firearms cannot exist without a general culture of firearms to support and sustain it.
    Absolutely. Well said.

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    I know we all want kids to learn about the shooting sports. I am behind that concept 110% as I am sure you all are too. I just don't want that, or anything outside the scope of Concealed Carry, to become the focus of this magazine. I like it dedicated to this one issue. It is unique in that respect and it has so far done an excellent job of covering that issue.

    If I want to learn about rifles there are many good magazines on the market I can turn to. If I want information on hunting or shotguns, ditto. I am sick and tired of the Wallmart approach to everything. In-other-words, one store that tries to cover everything but is an expert on nothing. Concealed Carry Magazine has tried to be a source on this issue and has done a good job so far. Stick to it is all I am saying.
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    I have to say that the cover caught me by surprise a bit when I first saw it -- I usually peek at the website when I know a new issue is on its way...

    I don't mind it and I don't think it is indicative of any type of change in the focus of the magazine. When I pitch article ideas to Tim he is always cognizant of the mission.

    That being said, I think the occasional article relating to things like education or home defense are sufficiently similar for a smattering of coverage.

    When you start to see articles on Old West Sixguns and Proper Loads for Deer Hunting -- then we may have a problem! :)
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    Ok! Ok! Ok!

    Don't worry, the focus of CCM is not going to change. It is a challenge to come up with good cover photos, so when this picture from Kathy Jackson came through we thought, "Why not put it on the cover?"

    Now I admit it has nothing to do with carrying, but isn't it a great "gun culture" shot? To me this picture says, "Good Moms teach their kids about guns so that one day they'll grow up and carry!"

    Wait until the next issue. The cover photo was submitted by one of our subsribers! It looks fantastic. Also P95Carry just sent me some really good pictures that may wind up on a future cover as well.

    Bottom line... We really appreciate the feedback!

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    Thanks Tim, just didn't want to as DDGATOR said to,
    see articles on Old West Sixguns and Proper Loads for Deer Hunting
    in an excellent magazine on concealed carry.
    DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONtestING THE VOTE.

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