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    Not a newbie, but this is a newbie question

    I was raised around guns, and have been shooting most of my 53 years.
    I CCW, carry 9mm and/or .380, but am considering graduating to a big bore (.45acp).

    The only .45acp I have ever fired was a Colt 1911 military issue. It did not know the meaning of recoil (a gentle giant), similar to my Remington 1100 12-guage. I thought this was a characteristic of automatics.

    I, unfortunately, can only afford one firearm at this time, and was torn between a Glock 36 vs a Walther PPS. I do not know ANYONE with either of these weapons. I currently own a G19, G26, and PPK/s .380. The PPS has similar dimensions as the PPK/s for CCW, hence my interest.

    Would anyone who has fired a Colt 1911 and a G36 share your thoughts? If you are also experienced with the PPS 9mm, your words are gold!

    I guess I am a gun snob. If it is not American made or German made I am not interested (sorry Beretta and -to a less extent-Taurus).

    Thank you for your time!!

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    I have 1911s and G36. The recoil of the 1911s are more pleasant, neither is harsh.
    There could have been something about the setup of the 1911 you shot that caused harsh recoil. Or the ammo.
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    --also have both . 45 auto (Colt) and Glock 36--carry the G36 most of the time--no real problem with recoil--which is somewhat more noticable than the obviously heavier Colts--

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
    I was raised around guns, and have been shooting most of my 53 years.
    I CCW, carry 9mm and/or .380, but am considering graduating to a big bore (.45acp).

    The only .45acp I have ever fired was a Colt 1911 military issue. It did not know the meaning of recoil, similar to my Remington 1100 12-guage. I thought this was a characteristic of automatics.

    I, unfortunately, can only afford one firearm at this time, and was torn between a Glock 36 vs a Walther PPS. I do not know ANYONE with either of these weapons. I currently own a G19, G26, and PPK/s .380. The PPS has similar dimensions as the PPK/s for CCW, hence my interest.

    Would anyone who has fired a Colt 1911 and a G36 share your thoughts? If you are also experienced with the PPS 9mm, your words are gold!

    I guess I am a gun snob. If it is not American made or German made I am not interested (sorry Beretta and -to a less extent-Taurus).

    Thank you for your time!!
    I'm confused....Glock isn't German, it's Austrian. Yet you left Sig out which is German Company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
    I was raised around guns, and have been shooting most of my 53 years.
    I CCW, carry 9mm and/or .380, but am considering graduating to a big bore (.45acp).

    The only .45acp I have ever fired was a Colt 1911 military issue. It did not know the meaning of recoil, similar to my Remington 1100 12-guage. I thought this was a characteristic of automatics.

    I, unfortunately, can only afford one firearm at this time, and was torn between a Glock 36 vs a Walther PPS. I do not know ANYONE with either of these weapons. I currently own a G19, G26, and PPK/s .380. The PPS has similar dimensions as the PPK/s for CCW, hence my interest.

    Would anyone who has fired a Colt 1911 and a G36 share your thoughts? If you are also experienced with the PPS 9mm, your words are gold!

    I guess I am a gun snob. If it is not American made or German made I am not interested (sorry Beretta and -to a less extent-Taurus).

    Thank you for your time!!
    You dont consider TN part of The USA? Beretta is building their plant in Nashville. Glock, has a plant in GA.

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    If one is going to bring up SIG, as a German gun, let's not forget HK, another fine German gun maker.
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    Yes, Glock is Austrian, which is a Germanic nation. I should have said American made, or German/Austrian.
    Some companies have plants here in the USA, but the weapons are still made by the specs of origin...I think...

    ANYWAY...thanks to everyone who has chimed in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by high pockets View Post
    If one is going to bring up SIG, as a German gun, let's not forget HK, another fine German gun maker.
    Agreed! In fact, having fired both in 45ACP it is my belief the H&K's are a little better in the recoil department. But I can not say anything bad about Sigs, truly finely crafted guns. The new P227 looks like a very promising carry gun as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    Agreed! In fact, having fired both in 45ACP it is my belief the H&K's are a little better in the recoil department. But I can not say anything bad about Sigs, truly finely crafted guns.
    Agreed on both points.

    A .45ACP in a comparatively heavy, all-steel platform, gets pretty hard to beat in terms of recoil management. Some can be pretty soft shooting, indeed. Particularly the few H&K's I have shot in .45ACP. The one old SIG P220 I have shot was also fabulous. "Gentle giants" is a good phrase to use with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Agreed on both points.

    A .45ACP in a comparatively heavy, all-steel platform, gets pretty hard to beat in terms of recoil management. Some can be pretty soft shooting, indeed. Particularly the few H&K's I have shot in .45ACP. The one old SIG P220 I have shot was also fabulous. "Gentle giants" is a good phrase to use with them.
    Well spoken sir. The "Gentle Giants" term is spot on when the 45ACP is matched with the all steel platform you purposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    The "Gentle Giants" term is spot on when the 45ACP is matched with the all steel platform you purposed.
    Yeah, 9" OAL and 45oz goes a loooooong way. Hard to get around the physics of it all.
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    Not sure what the question is, but here goes the ramble.
    I have a 1911 and a PPS. The steel frame of the 1911 absorbs a lot of recoil. The .45 definitely gives a healthy push. Mt steel frame CZ 9mm is so easy to keep on target. I can fully focus on trigger control. I catch myself adjusting my grip on the 1911 every few rounds, as the recoil will cause the pistol to slip by the end of the magazine (in slow fire).

    The PPS has much less inertia. Polymer frame compacts take a lot more to line up sights and keep on target. That said, the PPS is silly accurate for a 3" barrel. The recoil is very manageable in this platform. It won't win any IPSC matches, but it shoots faster and easier than a S&W J frame. The magazines really change the feel of the gun. Most owners have found the medium size mag gives a great grip with very little added to the height of the gun (still good concealment). The large mag feels like a service size pistol. Still, some carry the flush fitting small mag. The beauty is in that the choice is yours. If you find you really don't use one size, you don't have to buy a new (expensive, hard to find) mag. You can just buy a new base and put it on your existing mag tube.

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    I collect 5" 1911s and I have owned a Glock G36. The bigger and heavier a gun, the less recoil. The shorter the barrel, the less velocity and less dependable expansion. I carry a 1911 and a Springfiled Armory XDs-45 BUG. When I spend time in remote rural areas, I often swap the 1911 for a FNH FNX-45 Tactical. With the 1911 and the FNH, I carry Winchester PDX1 230 grain ammo. With the small XDs-45, I carry CorBon 165 grain +P to increase the velocity and potential expansion.
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    I currently own a Glock G30sf (slim frame) and it is noted for its mild recoil. I must admit that I, too, find it a soft-recoiling pistol for being .45acp. I got it 2 years (almost) ago. It's a Gen3 and has been a very good shooting gun. In fact, Mas Ayoob says it's one of the pistols he shoots best. I like mine and carry it AIWB when I carry it.
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    I have 1911's and there are no guns that I shoot better or enjoy shooting more. I do not have a problem with recoil at all. I did install a "Recoil Master" guide rod which mitigates recoil especially with follow-up shots. It is available from Brownells for about $90. Many competition shooters use it and it is a common option on STI guns. I do not shoot Glocks but I am a big H&K fan and I would firmly go with the HK45c. This is the compact. Recoil is very manageable and you can not beat it to death if you try.
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