Concealed Carry and Faith? Which Comes First?
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I am a Christian and someone who believes in exercising his constitutional rights (2A, ...
March 17th, 2014 03:09 PM
Concealed Carry and Faith? Which Comes First?
Just recently, I had a discussion with a group from church.
I am a Christian and someone who believes in exercising his constitutional rights (2A, self-defense, human equality, pursuit of happiness, etc) was telling some brothers and sisters about how the Bible fully supports the possession and bearing of weapons. The issue between faith/prayer as a means of deliverance from evil and the 'need' to carry a firearm to make you feel safe turned into pivotal point of discussion. I proceeded to explain that my belief in God and His protection was not compromised by the carrying of a firearm. I carry a firearm for the same reason I have a home alarm system and a fire extinguisher, I carry for the same reason I have auto-insurance/home insurance or carbon monoxide and smoke detectors. Bad things can and do happen to everyone alike, both believers and non-believers. So while God can intervene in the affairs of man, He is sovereign to do so or not.
Many believers won't carry for many reasons. Some misunderstand the fifth commandment "thou shall not kill" when in reality it should read "thou shall not murder." Murder has a premeditation and innocence component that makes the act of taking someone's life a sin. Others (out of ignorance) think that exercising their constitutional rights goes against their faith (suing, lobbying, picketing, etc). Others simply feel more comfortable being a victim based on a wrongful interpretation of a verse like the one that says "whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."
The recital of numerous verses came up to support both God's approval to own and bear a firearm as well as verses to counterbalance the faith factor. In the end, what we all agreed on was the intention/condition of the heart when carrying a firearm. Where is your trust? What or who is your security entrusted to? THAT is what God looks at anyhow - your heart!
How do you juggle your carrying of a firearm and your faith?
March 17th, 2014 03:09 PM
March 17th, 2014 03:12 PM
CC comes first. I have faith the firearm will perform when needed. As for the religious slant of the thread, the mods will be along shortly.
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March 17th, 2014 03:15 PM
Right.............carried in Newark NJ for 20 yrs. and faith has nothin' to do with it.....saved my arse twice.
Oh........."Colt 1911, The Fist Of God".......keep the faith.
March 17th, 2014 03:19 PM
I believe that God gave us the ability to protect our life and the lives of other.
March 17th, 2014 03:29 PM
For me, this is a Christian liberty topic: "The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves" (Romans 14:22 ESV).
I believe we have the freedom so long as it doesn't cause our brothers and sisters to stumble. Romans 14 is a great resource.
Short reply: Carry Always, Never Tell.
March 17th, 2014 03:31 PM
You have faith that God has provided you the ability and means to defend yourself and others with. So what's the problem here?
You have obeyed God in acting according to this command: "If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Today it would be, "If you do not have a pistol..."
Surely you don't expect Jesus to have recommended this without expecting that those weapons would see usage at some point, at some time, with some one.
Soooo, not to worry. You have been faithful. Now go get some training.
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March 17th, 2014 03:36 PM
Just because God CAN do something doesn't mean He will. Not to sound cruel but many of the early church died on their knees as nations killed them for their faith. I carry. Doesn't take God's power to protect me away. I hope He never leads me to a situation to where I'll have to use my ins. policy. David the man after His own heart carried a sword to protect himself. Why wouldn't God's children in this dispensation?
Gun control isn't about guns...it's about control. It also makes criminals out of otherwise law abiding citzens.
March 17th, 2014 03:38 PM
I'm a Christian and a Roman Catholic. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p3s2c2a5.htm says:
2263*The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. .*.*. The one is intended, the other is not."65
2264*Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. .*.*. Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.66
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March 17th, 2014 03:40 PM
We all live by faith, be they Christian or non believers. We have faith that we will get up in the morning or that our car will start.
Faith in DIvine protection is good but not promised. God never does anything for one that the person could not do for themselves. There have been many pastors that were killed by assailants.
Scripture teaches us that an eye for an eye and he that does not have a sword should sell his coat to buy one. A man's cloak was the most treaured item he had. It provided cover from the elements as he journyed across the lands.
Correctly quoted, Thou shall not kill was translated from Thou Shalt do no murder in Hebrew.
There isa difference between killing one as in murder and defending one's self that ends in death. Scripture also says nations should execute their murderers. God even commanded some to slay others, even by using the jawbone of an ass.
God does not intend for Christians to not defend themselves.
End of sermon. Amen.
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March 17th, 2014 03:46 PM
The Lord helps those who help themselves.
Thousands were burned to death hiding in their churches hoping for the Lord to intervene. Sometimes he might do so but for the most part you better plan on helping him out a bit.
Jesus knew he was to be a sacrifice so he allowed those events to give up his life. We don't share the same mission. My wife and kids are my responsibility to protect. I will do so with no pangs of conscience or second thoughts.
PS I don't see a conflict or a choice of one or the other to be made.
Last edited by farsidefan1; March 17th, 2014 at 05:16 PM.
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March 17th, 2014 03:51 PM
To each his own,but my faith comes in the form of Smith and Wesson.
March 17th, 2014 03:57 PM
In truth, it is the intent of the heart that becomes the determining factor.
Originally Posted by asanabia68
King James Version (KJV)
10. I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
One must also consider this, God called King David "My Servant". If therefore David was proclaimed God's servant even after the MANY wars he fought in, and the many he slew in battle, it is obvious to conclude there is a difference between murder and having to take the life of another. According to the passage below David was obviously very efficient in battle, as the women of Israel sung of. So if David being faithful in that which he did, and receiving the blessings of God as the Holy Scripture tells us, would it not be reasonable to conclude again there is a difference in the two acts?
1 Samuel 18:7 KJV
King James Version
And the women answered one another as they played , and said , Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.
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March 17th, 2014 04:03 PM
I can't be faithful to God and take care of my family and all that is Holy if I AM DEAD.
As has been mentioned here in only a very short time already, self-defense is not exclusionary to having faith of most any kind, particularly Christianity. If I am forced to deal my attacker a lethal blow in order to protect my life or that of my family, God will understand. If he does not, he is not God.
March 17th, 2014 04:06 PM
I don't see anything wrong with owning a firearm. If folks claim that guns are evil because the bible days "Thou shalt not kill". There are more ways to kill a person besides using a gun. There is a big difference between owning a gun with the intentions to commit crime and using a gun to protect your family.
March 17th, 2014 04:07 PM
Well there is a lot in your post and it is well stated now for my opinion and that I was given freedom of choice and also I was given a brain. That being said when serious medical problems jump up I go to a doctor and when some one attacks me I will defend myself. How I do it will determine what the threat is and that is where my brain comes in, use it because it is there and if you believe God or your teachings we have some thing that a computer can not match. Now depending upon the threat you have a choice of handle it or wait for help or do both. I remember Grandma said God helps them that help themselves when doing right.
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