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    Cool

    Well, got my updated address change on my CCW today....yahoo!


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    I live in Missouri where CCw is legal but still cannot get my permit becuase the county I live in has decided that it is above the law and not issue. It is the only county in the state that doesn't issue. But since it has such a large population [almost 1/3 ] it feels that it's above the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclidean
    Yeah but that specifically says Traveling or Going to the Range. I think car carry for Going to the Grocery Store is still a no no without the permit.

    It's not clear any way you slice it. The 2 county lines thing is a convention of case law, which means it's nothing more than a rule of thumb.
    That's what I was getting at. That if it is not traveling or for a sporting purpose, it is definitely illegal. You also have to be careful about the traveling exception. Burden of proof is on you (even though the wording of the law has been improved)

    Quote Originally Posted by Summary of Traveling Exemption
    There is still a provision in the Texas Penal Code, which, if you are unlicensed, allows for an affirmative defense in the event you are stopped and a handgun is found in your vehicle. Your attitude and demeanor toward the officer is very important. Although there is no absolute definition for traveling, the courts have indicated that crossing two county lines defines traveling. Bear in mind, this only allows for you to have a handgun during the course of traveling on the highway from originating point to destination. It does not provide for the carrying of the handgun while traveling in and around your destination. In other words, when you reach your destination, you need to secure your handgun where ever you may be staying.
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    A lot of CHL instructors have the packets on hand. I was told about this after waiting about a month to get my packet from the DPS. Hang in there, it's worth the wait.
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    I also live in the state of Misery Exercise your Out Of State option and never give that cesspool of a city/county a penny. Also I think one reason the Kansas Chitty area is going to issue is just so they know who has a permit, get an OOS just so they don’t know. I sent for my Florida permit the day after the court challenge put things on hold and had it in hand before the Supreme Court ruling, Florida is good in more states than Misery and I really can’t see any reason to spend the money, and if/when St. Loonie ever issues they will charge the full $100 allowed. To hell with them. Live free.

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    The Florida permit sounds like something a lot of people should look at. I applied for a Texas permit because it's reciprocal with several states I tend to travel in every so often, plus, well, I live in Texas so it seemed intuitive to get a Texas permit.

    It's not like I regret applying in my own state. It shows my state that people want concealed carry here. Maybe in some small way, it will help because what I really want is a more streamlined application process. Well what I really want is my RKBA reinstated, but one step at a time I suppose.

    I do wonder now if I could have saved myself some hassle.

    C'est la vie I suppose. To be honest, my goal was to have it by June 1 and I think it'll happen with time to spare. I can't carry at work anyway, and I've gone for 2 years without it for this reason. But I hope someone might learn from my situation to examine all your options first.

    F-350, I clicked around the internet and couldn't find the exact page where one applies for an OOS Florida permit. I found some info but couldn't find where one can apply by either snail mail or email. I know the Texas DPS has an online concealed carry page where you can apply over the internet and save some time, but the page is buried and you have to dig around to find it. I don't know if this is poor website design or if it's intentional. I think it's the former and not the latter because you have to pay $140 for the privilege. Do you happen to know the exact URL for the Florida permit? It might help someone else out.

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    Well quick update.

    It took basically a month to get all the fingerprints, photos, affidavits and classes out of the way. The packet went in the mail last Monday and come tomorrow will have been out for a week.

    From where I am located, the Austin DPS (who actually issues the thing) should have gotten it in the mail Wednesday if I had in in the mail Monday (Which I did). Add one day for the incompetent post office we have here and add another day for the possibly incompetent post office they have there, and it should have been in their mailbox Friday if not Thursday.

    Out of simple curiousity I have checked my status online and it still reads "Packet Mailed to Applicant". I figure this means one of three things:

    #1. They didn't get it
    #2. It's physically there it just hasn't been processed
    #3. They don't actually bother to update your status online throughout the process.

    I think it's a combination of #2 and #3.

    Now if I read the law correctly, the DPS has to act on your application within 30 days of receiving it. For the sake of argument I am going to assume it arrives March 1st.

    Odds are significant that when they get these things they put them in a workbasket for 30 days ahead, so they probably aren't even obligated to crack the seal on the envelope until darn near April.

    I've been told to wait 60 days to pass a background check, which is silly. It doesn't take 60 days to pass a check. But they say they need 60.

    I've even pointed out to them as a certified educator they have all this information on me already and have already performed these checks on me, but they insist on doing it again.

    And now we wait 90 days. I just hope they like the photo and prints I sent them.

    I talked to some of the renewals at the range and most of them reported a turnaround time of 2-4 weeks after mailing all the materials in, but I've also found out that there's an awful lot of applications going through the works right now so I'm not holding my breath. The DPS sends the renewals their notice in the mail 6 months ahead of time. If it takes 6 months just to renew I am not looking forward to how long the initial license might take.

    I'll update again when/if it's ever issued so someone else may possibly benefit from knowing what to expect for the turnaround time for their first license. It took 1.5 weeks to receive my application and about 3 weeks to get all the stuff taken care of, so I already have a month tied up in this process just taking care of the bureaucracy.

    I will say this process does have one major upside. It got me frustrated enough to get off my butt and pay my TSRA membership fee so that maybe one day all this silliness won't be necessary. If this was my first driver's license this would have already been a done deal by now.

    But in a way it's a relief. I have done everything I know to do to the best of my ability, and I did it all correctly. All I can do is wait to hear back. The worst that can happen to me now is I have to send in another set of prints or another passport photo.

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    I can tell you one thing. The internet page never changes the status of your app. Same status every day and then it pops up "license mailed" and a week or so later it shows up. I thought it would show the progress and etc. but it never did.In about 62 days it should be there.
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    Patience, Grasshopper. Good things come to those who wait patiently.

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    Unhappy

    I went in for a renewal. Figured 1 1/2 months lead would be enough. Now they tell me FBI is 3 months behind on fingerprint submitting. Looks like I may be without a CCW for a few months.

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    Florida permit website.

    http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/

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    Out of curiousity I am going to check FLA's reciprocity and see if their permit gets me anywhere the Texas permit does not.

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    Euclidean - perhaps you've already known this, but there is one website I keep in my favorites - www.texasonline.com theres a bunch of good links. It used to be a main link to get to the CHL page, but now you gotta search thru their "permits" page. However, here it is
    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm

    The site is good for all the statistics, such as current reprocicity states.
    When I sent all my paperwork in, I used to go to the website and track the progress online....it took me approximately 4 wks to get mine last Spring.

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    Actually I did know they existed and I have them bookmarked but they are definitely not intuitive to find. The state's website doesn't do a good job of cross linking all the pages on CHLs.

    For a quick check, which must be verified with research, packing.org is a good site too. It's more of a rule of thumb reference however.

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    I think packing.org pretty much keeps on top of changes in the laws. That is where I would go for information. They sometimes have links to government websites they reference.....
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