January 7th, 2007 02:44 PM
Getting caught carrying on 'posted' premises
Has anyone here ever accidentally carried a concealed weapon onto premises that prohibit them and been caught?
I don't, the only places I go that prohibit firearms are the Post Office (and I'm not going to mess with them) and restaurants that serve alcohol (this one annoys the hell out of me but I live with it).
But I'm sure there are those that forget sometimes, or flat out ignore the sign on the door and carry in places where the proprietor doesn't welcome them.
I'm thinking stores mainly, not government buildings.
So if you have ever been caught you can answer this for me.
What happened, did they ask you to leave?
Did they call the Police?
Or did nothing happen and the staff left you alone?
I'm really interested, I've never heard of anyone being thrown out of a store for CCW.
If you don't want to incriminate yourself or anyone else I will except stories about your second cousin's best friend.
Last edited by rocky; January 7th, 2007 at 05:01 PM.
Reason: edit for clarity
January 7th, 2007 02:57 PM
Yes they will ask you to leave they may hassel you further depending where you live. You need to know your state laws.
Is it worth losing your CCW license?
I follow the rules. You may not agree with them, but that's how it is.
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January 7th, 2007 03:13 PM
No, I have not carried in a PNC zone and therefore have not been caught. I don't go to such places, except rarely into the post office, which I enter disarmed (the recurring arguments over "or other lawful purpose" are not convincing to me either way).
As a kayaker mentioned, the consequences vary from state to state. The relevant CO statute is 18-12-214(5):
"Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity."
So if one were detected carrying in a PNC business, the choice would probably be either to comply with a command to leave or to face a charge of some degree of criminal trespass.
January 7th, 2007 03:22 PM
With all that I went through, to get the license, I don't intend to"test the waters" and see if I can loose it.
January 7th, 2007 03:45 PM
I am aware of my State Laws, however I was wondering if the were actually implemented in non-Government establishments.
I'm not going to go out and break the law, and I'm not advocating that anyone else does.
January 7th, 2007 03:49 PM
it would depend on how far the "victim" wanted to push the issue.
January 7th, 2007 07:06 PM
January 7th, 2007 07:25 PM
FL Food establishments
It is my understanding that here in FL if the restaurant is at least 51% food then carry is permited..... example: Ruby Tuesdays.
If I am wrong please let me know...
January 7th, 2007 07:26 PM
Know your state's laws.
Ohio has penalties for getting caught in a Criminal Protection Zone.
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January 7th, 2007 07:44 PM
Here in KS it would be a class B misdemeanor and probable loss of your CCL
I'm a child of the 60's, but I got over it.
January 7th, 2007 07:56 PM
The Florida Statutes reads:
Originally Posted by Zackeal
If the establishment primarily sells alcohol by the drink (Bar) you are better off not going in. You can argue with the cop that having a burguer in the Bar's bathroom falls under the part of the establishment NOT selling alcohol, but why be the test case? Any restaurant that sells alcohol will be OK as long as you do not sit at the restaurant's bar. Play it safe, get a table and don't visit bars, saloons and "gentelman's clubs" while packing.
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
January 7th, 2007 08:02 PM
I don't try to lose my CHP even though I don't agree with the premise. Yesterday I went to visit a co-worker at the hospital and lo and behold there was a "No Guns" restriction sign on the door. I had to return to the car which was parked quite a distance away. I guess criminals could go there armed any time they wish.
Walk steathly - and carry a big Springfield.
January 7th, 2007 08:46 PM
I have carried into a business that was posted by accident. I did not know the business was posted until we were about to leave. Here's how it happened:
It is the Value City Furniture store on Germantown Parkway over by the I-40 overpass in Bartlett Tennessee. We were looking for a new bedroom suit for my daughter. We went in and shopped, I was carrying my PT-111 on my right hip with an unbuttoned button up shirt on as a covering garment. My wife was carrying her snub nosed .357 in a purse designed for CCW.
My daughter found what she wanted and we talked to a sales associate about buying it. Total price was about $1400.00 and we thought we could live with that. I was nice stuff, and on sale.
As he was putting the order paperwork together I was just standing at the counter looking around. It was then that I noticed some text on the front doors near the bottom that had a gun above it. I walked over and it said something like "No Concealed guns on this property". So I went back to the counter and asked the sales guy about the sign and he said it was company policy.
I asked if that included people with carry permits or just pertained to people illegally carry a gun and he says "Any guns at all".
Then he shows me the purchase order for the bedroom suit and asks if I am ready to buy it.
I told him, NOPE.
He says HUH?
I say, "I do not do business with anyone who has a problem with me exercising my constitutional rights."
I took the purchase order and ripped it in to 3 or 4 pieces and then I told him we were going to one of their competitors and purchase furniture from them.
He tried to save the sale by saying that we would pay more with their competitors (he was right but only by $100 or so) and I told him that did not matter to me. It was the principal of the thing that mattered to me.
We have not been back and they did not ask us if we were carrying. If they had asked us we would have said yes and just left.
January 7th, 2007 09:28 PM
That shouldn't be a problem for me seeing as how I don't drink or visit "gentelman's clubs"....
I have my CCW but have not carried yet due to the fact I don't have a holster (still on backorder) .... Though I am a little nervious about the first few times I carry... I assume I will get over thinking everyone is going to point at me screaming gun!!!!!.....
January 7th, 2007 09:30 PM
Good show, PT111.
Way to go.
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