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    'Hey fellow rider, what do you ride? Man, you have been through some stuff huh!? LOL at the LEO harassing you over carrying JHP's..'

    Garn, I ride a Honda Interceptor. I'm a big fan of the V4, and I ride it like the it was designed to be ridden. However it does attract a little too much attention, and my driving record resembles that...

    Yes the JHP comments from him were funny, cause I asked him 'so, what do you have loaded in yours?'
    .....No comment <shrug>
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    Just to clarify, if pulled over, I fully intend on both informing the officer, and allowing him to disarm me if he so chooses. I don't believe it to be a major issue.

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    Texas law makes it easy... It says that if you're armed, you inform law enforcement. It also says that if they feel the need to disarm you, it's done.

    I've had one encounter with LEO since I recieved my CHL... I had stopped at an injury accident (I'm a Paramedic) and assisted with injuried until EMS arrived. After I transferred care, one of the LEOs called me away from the others and asked if I had a CHL... to which I said yes and started to pull my ID. He waved it away and told me that while I was bent over the injured person, that I was printing. His only other comments were to be careful, and a thanks for stopping to help.
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    I got stopped last week.

    I pulled as far to the right as I could, turned on the inside light and rolled the window down then put my hands back on the steering wheel.

    Cops comes to the window and say good evening sir can I see your license and insurance.

    I say (leaving my hands on the wheel) "of course officer but before I take my hands from the wheel for your safety and mine I want you to know that I am a concealed carry permit holder and I have my weapon in a Inside The Waistband Holster on my right hand side.

    Cops says cool whatcha carrying, I tell him a Kimber Ultra CDP and he asks to see it. I remove the gun pop the magazine out and rack the slide the bullet pops out and I lock it back and hand it to him.

    He notices the Crimson Trace and asks how I like them, I tell him so far I love them, but Santa just brought them to me and I had only put about 200 rounds down range with the laser.

    He hands the gun back and says have a great day and leaves.

    I have no idea why he even stopped me!
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    In Kansas, my understanding is that we're not legally required to announce that we are carrying if we're stopped by LE.

    However, common sense mandates telling the LEO and allowing him to disarm me if he so chooses, and that's exactly what I'll do if I'm in that situation.
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    Boy, did this thread make the rounds, or what?! I think good advice would be to just treat the Cop like you want to be treated, with respect.

    Chances are, the Officer is not going to disarm you, unless you give him a reason to. It's that simple. Before I became a Cop, I was "nice" when I was stopped...windows down, hands on the wheel, etc. Other than the 2 tickets during my first year of driving cars (Which I deserved), I never got a ticket again, even though I was stopped many times.

    Informing the Officer that you're armed is just being polite & respectfull of what he's doing. Obviously, there may be some LE that don't deserve your respect. You decide how you want to deal with that. But keep in mind that out in the street, it can save you some pain, time, money, & possibly embarrassment by acting smart & not just to be right. There are courses of action that you can follow if you weren't treated properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    In my experience, LEOs usually just ask where it is and ask you to keep your hands where they can see them and everything proceeds normally. If he decides to make any requests of you, just do what he says and everything will be fine.

    I did once have an LEO ask if I would give him my weapon for the safety of both of us. I told him that he was welcome to it, but that I would feel much more comfortable if he took it off of me rather than me holding a weapon with him there. He laughed and said he hadn't thought of it that way, and it would be fine to keep it on my person.
    I can't understand why a cop, once he's been informed voluntarily by you that you have a gun and are licensed, would still want to hold onto it for the remainder of the stop. I mean, if you were really a threat, you'd have been one by now, and probably wouldn't have been as cooperative and cordial as you'd been up to that point.

    I've been stopped numerous times while living here in Florida, never for anything more serious than moderate speeding. Several times, (at least three) I have been let off, and I have no special "trick" or "out" except for politeness, cooperation, and asking for a break.

    I have not had confirmation about whether running my license plates, or my driver's license, informs the officer that I have a CWL or not. No one has really ever said for certain, and I have not asked any cops here.

    I have never offered a cop my CWL or even told him I had a gun with me in the car. (There also has never been a danger of the gun inadvertently flashing, due to my mode of carry.) What's more, they have never asked me about it (which would tip me off to their knowing). I don't even think I've been asked a generic, "Do you have any weapons in the car?" question. Maybe I just seem like a harmless stop or something, I dunno. But I have never not been carrying when I've been stopped!

    The last time I was stopped, it was by a Palm Beach County Sheriff's Deputy. I had pulled out of a Walmart onto the main road after rolling through the stop sign, after 3 a.m., and the cop was the only person coming. He claimed I pulled out right in front of him. Let me tell you, he had plenty of room and I didn't cause him to have to brake at all.

    When I pulled into a 7-11 lot, I turned on my dome light and sat still with my hands on the wheel up high. He came and got my license etc., and went back to his car before I could offer my, "My license is clean and I'd really appreciate a break," speech. He came back shortly afterward and announced, "This one is on me," and that it could have been an expensive ticket for rolling through the stop sign. HE THEN THANKED ME FOR HAVING HAD MY LIGHT ON AND MY HANDS ON THE WHEEL WHEN HE APPROACHED. I mean, he explicitly said THANK YOU. I was shocked and gladdened, and I actually stopped him before he went back to his car and told him that I had always wondered if a citizen conducting himself responsibly and with a mind toward putting the officer at ease in his dangerous job was something that carried weight with him. I didn't get much of an answer that I recall, as he seemed eager to get back to work. I was just glad I didn't get a ticket.

    Oh, by the way, I have an NRA Life sticker on the back window of my mini-wagon, among others (like AOPA and USPA). Was it noticed, and if so, did it help? Who knows. This deputy was decked out in an L.B.E. vest with a big ol' TASER gun on the belly. If anyone was a gear-hog and gun enthusiast, it seems he might have been one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockedlocked01 View Post
    Informing the Officer that you're armed is just being polite & respectfull of what he's doing. Obviously, there may be some LE that don't deserve your respect. You decide how you want to deal with that. But keep in mind that out in the street, it can save you some pain, time, money, & possibly embarrassment by acting smart & not just to be right. There are courses of action that you can follow if you weren't treated properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_kayaker View Post
    Some one else in another post said it better, but my main concern when pulled over is to put the officer at ease.
    For some, the main concern when pulled over is to make sure we don't give up rights that belong to us.

    I understand not wanting to end up with a cop's gun pointing at you, but there is a balance to be found between prostrating yourself to a traffic cop and just keeping quiet about something that will not affect the cop.

    I would not want to be the one walking up on a dark car.
    That's a willingly made choice. Clearly, all that is really required of a citizen is to not do anything threatening, dangerous or stupid for the duration of the stop. I guess we are legally obligated to follow the cop's instructions, but we are not legally obligated to make him feel anything, like "at ease" or "safe." I'll sit there in the car, be still, be polite, be cooperative, but making the cop feel safe is not my burden.

    Telling the officer that you are CC and armed just puts everything on the table and out front. "Hey here I am, this is what I have, how would you like to proceed?"
    Well, I've been pulled over at least 6 times (did not get tickets all six) while armed and legal, and never once said I was to the cop, and my being armed never became an issue. Why do so many people act as though it is crucial to the safe management of the stop that we blurt out "I'm legally carrying a gun!" at the first opportunity?! If the gun is properly concealed, and you don't mean to use it against the cop, then what difference does it make?!

    Of all the times I have ever been pulled over, only twice was I asked to step out of the car; once while in college, and didn't have guns, and once on a trip through central FL, and even then I just left my CCW in the car in a satchel. And it's not as though in either case I was patted down or something.

    How many people here have had traffic stops for ordinary things like speeding, stop signs, expired license plates, and been asked out of the car? Probably a very rare occurrence. And even if asked out of the car, can't manage to keep the gun concealed? If you fear you can't, you can always mention the gun and license calmly before opening the door...

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    scene....

    oncoming shift of patrolman meet for preshift brief. they're told to be on the lookout for XXXXX car with XXXXX male, who's threatened to kill girlfriend, suspected of XXXXXX or whatever. they're told to exercise all due caution. their significant other tells them to make it home alive that night....

    a few hours later, they pull over a close match, find out they're armed, ask for the weap, and see the individual take on a defensive posture and tone ("***, my 4th amend rights!! screw this cop!!")

    soooooo, where can you see this going?


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    traffic stops are not subject to miranda laws, or the 4th amendment, because you are considered temporarily legally detained.

    your justification for not having to hand over your firearm would also mean that you feel you dont need to stop for the officer if you "know" you werent breaking any laws.... or that you shouldnt have to stop for dui/license checkpoints. sure, it would be nice, but you arent gonna win.

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    Timmy Jimmy, that's a cool story.

    The only place where I differ is that I don't roll the window down until the cop is standing there. I usually tell him that I'm now going to roll it down and they say okay and then we proceed from there.

    It's always been my thinking that the cop will be less apt to be nervous if I have not rolled down my window in anticipation of his arrival. After all, if someone was going to shoot the cop when he gets out of his car, would that not be something they'd do in advance?

    Of the LEOs here, who would rather approach a closed window, and who would rather approach an open window?

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    Let's be clear here. Rights (if you view CCW as a right, I do NOT, it is a privelege, but let's call it a right for this discussion) are adjudicated in the court of law by judges. If stopped and you want to exercise a "right" that you think some LEO is violating, then be prepared for: 1) arrest; 2) detention; 3) court dates; 4) lawyer fees. And all of that is in addition to the following that you may get to enjoy: Facing the business end of a weapon (and maybe getting shot), eating pavement, losing your weapon (at least for a while); arrest record; and the pleasure of spending quality, up-close and personal time with a lot of folks that are more than likely are the reason why you are carrying a weapon in the first place.

    There are proper venues and avenues to exercise your rights. I would rather go on the offensive on my terms either adminstratively(supervisors, elected officials with oversight of the PD) or judicially (a lawsuit that I initiate) vice defensively (gee, Judge (or jury) I was only exercising my rights under the 4th and 2nd adm. of the constitution when the LEO shot and arrested me). There is a reason you are called a defendant in a criminal court case.

    Let's get real, on the street where two parties are carrying weapons and one of them has lots of friends on call to help him keep from losing is NOT the place to have those types of discussion.

    This position of arguing this in the streets is starting to remind me of the old county and western song that goes "....but that makes me the winner".
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    Well put Chorizo.

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    The last time I got pulled over I was on a date. Typically when pulled over I go through the usually tally of "okay what did I do wrong" since I am a lawful driver. Usually when I get pulled over my tail light is out cause I'm really bad at checking those.

    Anyways this time I wasn't thinking anything except "ah crap is there anyway I can get through this without the girl knowing I am carrying a gun". Nope, just go with it. I pull over and turn off the car. Oh yea, it's raining....HARD.

    LEO comes to the window. I keep my hands on the stearing wheel. Here it comes..."evening officer, before anything I have to tell you I have a concealed carry permit and am carrying a sidearm". Just let me know what to do" He asks me where it is. I say in it's holster on my belt. Any other weapons? Nope.

    Officer says I appologize in advance for this because of the rain but can you step out of the car. I say sure. He asks me where my reg and ins are. I say in the glove box. Partner goes to passenger window and asks girl to get information.

    Yep one of my tail lights is out again. I really gotta start paying attention to that. Police officer thanks me for having telling him I have a permit and seperately thanks me for carrying as he believes personally that if you have a permit then you have just declared in writing to LEO that you are one of the good guys. LEO gives me a warning and lets me go.

    Date doesn't go so well after that. Oh well can't win em all.

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    I'm glad this thread came back around... I was starting to get concerned about the knowledge base of this forum.

    Peaceful Jeffery... to answer your question about the window; I dont really care eithier way. But if its Jan. and and 10 below and you have your window down it may cause me a little concern.
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