Got pulled over the other day

[orbrit]

Thanks for all the LE input on this thread. I've wondered if the CHL was tied to my DL/Vehicle registration. I assumed it was, so to not disclose this if pulled over by LE would almost be seen as having something to hide. I know for a fact that I'm not going to argue with a LEO if he/she asks for my carry weapon.

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[Only Glock]

Of the LEOs here, who would rather approach a closed window, and who would rather approach an open window?

Personally, I would rather approach the open window... it seems to be easier to see the inside of the vehicle more clearly. (That's just my preference, others may feel differently.)

[briansmech]

and it is my right to protect my safety in such situations.

more like your RESPONSIBILITY to protect your safety!!

family, friends, coworkers and the taxpayers that trained you should demand it!!

wouldnt offend me in the least if i had to go thru the whole routine, even to the point of being put into the back seat, as long as in the end, if im courteous and respectful, the officer rewards me with satisfying my curiousity as to whats going on/why. after he/she's satisfied im not whlo/what they want, i would think i do have a right to know who/what im being mistaken for, for my personal safety

ie, if i/my car/whatever matches some description, i think i have a need to know, right?

[fed_wif_a_sig]

I like how Only Glock put it, short sweet and hit the nail on the head.

Just wanted to add one more lil thing to this thread (wow its get'n long). Noone has mention the OTHER consiquence you can/will face if you get "legal" or pissy with an officer who attempts to disarm you.

All the officer has to do is file one simple form and you will find your CCL suspended pending an administrative review of your "privledge" to carry a weapon concealed. Sure after extensive (and unless you live where the state office is) lengthy trips, time off work, delays, and legal expenses you might get your license back, unless the officer is better at testifying than you are. Worse, you could loose the privledge to carry for a lengthy time.

Something to mull over as your rage and indignation boils over the injustice you feel when a lowly officer decides to take their safety over your percived rights.

Back to my cage.

[Only Glock]

ie, if i/my car/whatever matches some description, i think i have a need to know, right?

I will ALWAYS let someone know why I stopped them, either at the beginning or end of the stop. Courtesy and respect go a long way with me and most of the officers I work with, and I reciprocate with courtesy and respect.

[Chorizo]

To all you LEO's that made such great input, thanks. And thank you for what you do.

Be safe.

[obxned]

If stopped (hain't happenned in ???? years), I plan to keep my hands on the wheel, tell the officer I have a permit and a firearm, and proceed as instructed. Should the officer request that I give him the firearm, I would cooperate. I do not think a citizen who has a legal permit and therefore a clean background is going to have any problem unless they want one.

[PapaScout]

Yep!

Hands on the wheel.
Engine off.
Interior light on.
Window down.

Before I started carrying or even thought about carrying I would get my registration from the glovebox before the officer came up to the car window. I don't do that anymore for reasons that I bet are obvious to all here. :)

[garn]

Sorry to sound so harsh, but when I pull you (or anyone else) over, if I feel the need for my safety, I have the right to order you out of the car (or remove you), disarm, handcuff, and frisk you. When stopped, whether in a car, on foot, etc, you are being detained on either probable cause or reasonable suspicion (do a search on "Terry Stop"), and it is my right to protect my safety in such situations.

I don't see how that is harsh at all. I can understand, after all, the reason I have a CHL is for MY protection.

I keep on reading people posting how they would never argue with a LEO in such and such situation, and it seems like you guys are referencing my posts like i said I would argue the fact.

I never once even insinuated that I would argue with a LEO over something like this, actually, if you read, I stated otherwise. I was just concerned with the laws themselves, which I'm still not convinced of. Maybe states are different, because I don't think my instructor would be incorrect on this.

[Bashful]

Here's Texas Administrative Code... I think it's pretty clear.

Texas Administrative Code
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TITLE 37 PUBLIC SAFETY AND CORRECTIONS
PART 1 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 6 LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUNS
SUBCHAPTER E ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES
RULE §6.51 Authority of Peace Officer To Disarm

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A peace officer who is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's official duties is authorized to disarm a license holder at any time when the peace officer reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the license holder, peace officer or other individuals. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the license holder before discharging the license holder from the scene when the peace officer has determined that the license holder is not a threat to the peace officer, license holder, or other individuals, and providing that the license holder has not violated any provision of the Act, or has not committed any other violation that results in the arrest of the license holder.

[ou_bird]

I've only been pulled over once since I've had my CHL, it was a couple of years ago. I had stayed at my girlfriend's house one night which was about an hour and a half from work. I had to be at work at 7am the next morning and woke up late. So of course I was driving home and just as I was approaching mach 2 I crested a hill and met a Highway Patrol... oops.... I pulled over and did everything by the book. Hands on the wheel, registration, insurance, DL and CHL all ready to hand him. I informed him of my CHL and of the firearm on my side. He asked a couple of questions and then he asked me to keep my hands on the wheel while he unholstered it. He said he was going to go run the registrations on both my vehicle and my gun and would be back. He came back and asked me to keep my hands on the wheel(they still were) and not to make any sudden moves while he reholstered my gun for me. He handed me a written warning for speeding, thanked me for doing everything correctly since I was armed, I definitely thanked him for the warning, and off I went.

Everything went very well. We were both very polite and courteous to each other and I had no problems with him taking my firearm (not that I had any choice).

(On a side note... I don't remember how fast he clocked me at, it was something rediculous, but it wasn't near as rediculous as how fast I had to go since I had 15min to make up after the stop...)

And yes... I did make it to work on time... Barely...