Non-lethal defense is under fire

Non-lethal defense is under fire

This is a discussion on Non-lethal defense is under fire within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242531,00.html I am not sure if anyone noticed, but yesterday a new model taser was shown at CES. CNN and Foxnews covered it and I ...

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    Non-lethal defense is under fire

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242531,00.html

    I am not sure if anyone noticed, but yesterday a new model taser was shown at CES. CNN and Foxnews covered it and I am sad to say that both spun the story into an Anti-Selfdefense report. I happened to see the live reports over lunch so I can tell you firsthand that all newstations made it a huge point to question why anyone would need such a device. The link above has a link to the right of the page for a video that proves that most of the media is out to destroy America. By destroy I mean by saturating the populase with the false notion that I am not responsible enough to use any product, or have a different view. If a taser scares the media, I hate to see what they will do to take my guns. I guess those in control of what is reported and how it is done are one step closer to completing the "proper education" of the masses. I don't know why this hit such a big nerve with me, but it really bothers me. Please remember to represent the few of us who have CCW permits well, or we will not be able to keep them.

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    An acquintence of mine was tased 3 weeks ago. The battery was low. When the prongs latched onto her, she said it hurt, but remained upright. When she didn't go down, they hit her again. No effect. The officers went outside and called a sergeant who had to wrestle her to the ground with the other officers.

    They are good non-lethal devices but should never be counted on. It's bewildering exactly WHAT the media believes. I mean... Okay - the media feeds off of bad news and violence. They attribute that to guns.... if they get guns banned... plenty of more bad news because crime would skyrocket. Unreal.



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    Strikes me the media wants to spend a day in a cop's shoes!!!!!!!

    Are they really so nieve as to think (which is almost how it seems) that bad people do not exist! Geez ....... THAT is why there have to be means of protecting the self ... whether lethal or non lethal.

    I am amazed by the negativity - and so - if this is all about control - what do they suggest we do when all (legal) guns and non lethal devices are removed from society??!! Bow down and pray to the Bg's - in case it helps stop them shooting us?!

    This galls me - a lot. Legitimate self defence is anyways for me an inalienable right of every person on the planet, tho in most places that right has already been stripped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    Strikes me the media wants to spend a day in a cop's shoes!!!!!!!
    Now that would be a great idea. I think everyone should go on a ride along.
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    A low battery does not affect the performance of a Taser. Clothing, placement of the probes and a few other factors may affect it though.

    I'm not a big fan of folks walking around with Tasers for a few reasons, but still support their right to do so if they really want to.

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    Curious...

    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    A low battery does not affect the performance of a Taser. Clothing, placement of the probes and a few other factors may affect it though.

    I'm not a big fan of folks walking around with Tasers for a few reasons, but still support their right to do so if they really want to.
    Can some people really 'stand' up to a taser? Every time I've seen one used on TV, the perp (and there have been some big ones) always seems to lose the ability to do ANYTHING but fall and 'vibrate'...seems to be a REAL attitude adjuster.

    I can't see why a civilian would want one...my sidearm is enough!

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    Yes, some can. I dont know what the science behind it is, but there has been a few cases of this. Women are more resistant simply because they typically do not have the muscle mass that a man has.
    I've been Tased a few times in training and once during an active fight... it hurts like a SOB. Cool thing is, once its over, its over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    Strikes me the media wants to spend a day in a cop's shoes!!!!!!!
    It might be even better if they spent a day in a victim's shoes!
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    Yeah I just assumed the battery was low. She said she felt it, but it was appearently not a large charge because shes not exactly a big girl. Weird. She said it happened... All I've got is her word for it.
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    Once the intermediate steps in self-defense are taken away (i.e. pepper spray (which IMO is much more useful for non-LEOs)) then the media will be all over with reports on people using their CCW during a "minor" altercation. In other words, once they take away the ability to respond in a proportionate manner they will be over people responding disproportionally. (Is that a word?)
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    Tony, you are onto something. Our permits allow us to use a weapon that matches the greatest type of force that could be used against us. Take away all of the itermediate steps (oc, tasers, etc) and every time someone uses deadly force they will be seen as the one who escelated the force to that level. If we think we have to watch ourselves now in a justified shooting, imagine what we would have to do where the laws are black and white. It wouldn't take long for the sheep to ban guns outright. Maybe the ANti's are working a new plan since they have lost ground with the old arguements.

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    Tony does make a good point... but I think there is some confusion between NON lethal and LESS lethal.

    Tasers fit into the less lethal side of things. There have been deaths after a taser use, so they have placed it there. Granted the deaths after a tasing have other factors involved they are there.

    The pepper sprays would be non lethal, I dont see those going away anytime soon. I dont like pepper sprays at all, but thats another topic.

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    I don't want to find myself with a gun pointed at me armed only with a Tazer.

    The local news is touting these things as a possitive. Saying "After only a background check....". Well... don't that sound familiar? It would normaly be NOT on the list of items here in SC that could be carried with a CWP. So I guess a whole new form of Concealed Tazer Permit will now have to be legislated to make the Press correct. Because its simply not correct today.

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