What if he only has a knife?

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    What if he only has a knife?

    http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29616

    Some would argue why did they shoot him? He only had a knife!
    This is why you don't take chances with someone with a knife...
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    +1 Often, if you're close enough to see the knife you're in trouble.

    FOF training exposes the true lethality of a knife.

    Aside from a head shot, I'd rather be shot than stabbed. test an old bullet proof vest against a knife or ice pick.

    Knives never run out of ammo.
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    Well, if he only has a knife, and he's close enough for you to know it, that answers your question.

    At least you won't need to worry about being shot while you send him to hell.

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    Usually, the 21 ft rule would come into play, but right now, I'll call it the 7yard rule.
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    I only hope that if i'm attacked by someone with a knife, i can shoot them first. Those pic's are why we "PRACTICE". I can beat my Son running at me with a rubber knife Me drawing a toy gun at 21'. My son is 18 years old and pretty fast, but this is in a controlled enviorment, and he does'nt really want to harm me (most of the time)
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    Distance is the key. If they can reach you before you can clear and deploy your weapon, then 21 feet may not be enough. Each should know their own limitations in their methods of CC and plan tactics and train accordingly. Pull your knife from across the street and yell and act threatenly, I draw and attempt to withdraw from the area. Pull your knife at 21 feet and I draw and shoot.
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    http://www.policeone.com/columnists_...340&vid=102828

    An article about the 21' rule and why 21' might not be enough.

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    Officer, I am a disabled person and I can not run from a young guy with a knife. Officer, I was in great fear for my personal safety and life.
    A person is justified in the use of deadly force, if such person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person.

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    The other thing that we tend to forget about the 21 foot rule is that just because you MIGHT be able to get off a shot before the knife cuts you doesn't mean that the bad guy is going down.

    If he kills you before he stops attacking, it doesn't matter whether you hit him or not. You are still just as dead.

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    Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!

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    Of the robberies I have read about that involved a knife criminal was usually close to the victim before the knife was presented. Usually the distance was a matter of a few feet.

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    Great link. Explains the limitations of the 21 foot rule well. Also gets into the "means, opportunity, intent" side of things as well. For me 21 feet is too close as I carry IWB, tucked shirt 90% of the time with the other divided by ITP or OWB. Also I am no quickdraw artist, so SA and not letting suspected BG within 10 yards if I can help it allows me to draw and make ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportkcjc View Post
    Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!
    But ALWAYS bring a gun to a knife fight!
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    a knife in the hand is worth two guns in the bush
    isn't that how the saying goes?
    either way, those pictures were from an attack with a modified razor according to someone on that xdtalk thread, which i find very easy to believe. those were very shallow cuts! a one inch blade could easily have made those cuts - compressed tissue with a short blade makes a deeper cut - if someone has any knife at all they can kill you very quickly - you might be better off running for your life than trying to draw and fire!

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    21' , or whatever.

    If I see someome brandishing a knife at a person. Its might be a fair assesment that someones life is in danger.

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