IWB Presentation Difficulties

IWB Presentation Difficulties

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    IWB Presentation Difficulties

    I am new to free State of Texas (originally from Republic of Kalifornia) and CC (thank you Texas). With the summer approaching; I decided I would be using IWB (Galco King Tuk with G23) for EDC. I found draw from IWB is very difficult and I don’t seem to be able to get a “clean” draw reliably. I have been practice the presentation about 30 times every night and most of time I am “pinching” my skin with my thumb. After about 10 raps, the skin just around the holster begins to feel raw.

    Does anyone have the same problem? Any tips?
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    Experiment with the location of carry. I carry at the 3:30-4:00 position and don't have issues.
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    I carry at 3:00 and don't have that problem, either. Of course, I'm not speed drawing thirty times/day.
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    Try using your fingers to withdraw the gun and wrapping the thumb around as the gun begins to clear the holster.
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    Another thing might be the holster itself. I am not familiar with that particular model but looking at pictures of it, if the leather is not firm enough it will pinch the pistol against the kydex shell and cause the gun to feel "stuck" inside the holster. Over time it should mold a bit around the gun but until then it will be tough. Is this what you feel? The gun takes more force than you expect?

    A properly molded Leather or Kydex holster would be something to consider. They will cost more but I think they would be better for you. You could also experiment with apendix carry, although with that comes new things to worry about. Not least of which is the muzzle pointing close to the femoral artery or your man parts. It can be safe though with the right holster and proper care taken when holstering your weapon.
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    Try different positions. I found I prefer AIWB, but do train at 3-4:00, too. You may need to cut the holster to get a full combat grip.

    Your right in digging in there to get a full grip. You don't want to draw with 2 or 3 fingers and then try to regrip in the middle of presenting.

    Congrats on your move. I have lots of family in the eastern half. Wish I had some property in west Texas, but you got to play the hand that's dealt ya.
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    Yup Compared to Kommifornia TX is a breath of fresh air....someday we might even get the freedom of Constitutional Carry.
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    I have practiced this a hundred times. I have an SR9c with a N82 professional. Remember the golden rule, "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast"

    I found the quickest draw for me is to pull my shirt up with my left hand, wrap my hand on the handle and when I have a good grip, a slight twist, up and out. It sounds slow but in reality, it's under 3 seconds. I stared out slowly, taking close to 10 seconds and without thinking about it, it dropped to 3 seconds. It sounds like you're trying too hard.

    Now, if we're taking about a pocket carry? Fugedda 'bout it.
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    Hey BC lets see some pics with your carry rig on so we can see what the problem is. Welcome to Texas/Tejas!!!! I see you live in El Paso, I'm done here in the Rio Grande Valley we share the same river. Just a short leisurely 14 hour drive down the road.
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    Might try a Tee shirt under outside shirt. I do when I use my alien gear.
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    Can only recommend varying the position along the belt line, the ride height, the cant. Am assuming you don't have any physical issues reaching around to it, wherever it is. Am assuming you don't have any, er, "love handle" issues that are fouling the angle of attack you're forced to make. So long as it's (more or less) a straight shot, and so long as you consistently get a good hands-on grip ... but then, you know that.

    Myself, when I was starting IWB, I had to try a handful of different holsters before I found the right position (height, cant). Hard to make many concrete recommendations, since everyone's body shape and basic movement differs.

    You might try this: reposition the holster to the 3 o-clock position, then try 20 draws from there. Then, move it back to 4 o-clock, and try it there, getting it right at that spot. Then, move it to where you're ideally wanting it to be. At each spot, your gun should draw from the holster and allow holstering without major problems, and the only real variable should be you. If at every spot you find it's a bit of a pain, then consider the holster itself, its ride height, the cant, perhaps even the reinforcement around the mouth of the holster (if holstering it's a touchy thing).
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    Location of carry as like others have said, also I recommend an undershirt. Practice and experiment.
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    I absolutely cannot stand a gun against my hide.

    So in the summer, I'll be found with a tucked in T shirt and an open button down covering the gun.

    I do OK for a civvie. Decent, not great. At our last shoot, we ran a string of five: draw, shoot at 15 yard steel, holster, repeat. Keep going until you hit the steel.

    Five for five, 1.81 average. Gun was an HK VP9, holster was a Milt Sparks VMII.

    Clawing at a gun IWB is miserable. In my opinion, it's all about the holster.
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    I have 2 drawers full of holsters. The IWB I find most comfortable was made by Mike1956. I do wear an undershirt with it as I also don't like the gun against my skin. It is the only IWB holster I forget I'm wearing. When it is too hot to wear an undershirt I had Nelson holsters make a leather one that completely shields my skin. It's a bit tougher to draw but there certainly is no wear on my hide with either one. I wear both at 3:00.

    A question for you is how do you clear your cover garment? Perhaps a video of you drawing would be helpful. There are a lot of very knowledgeable folks in here that could offer great critical advice.
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    Video is always best for evaluating ones performance.

    Another question is, are you using a proper gun belt? That too can make a difference. Beyond that, is your thumbnail scraping your skin? Do you run the back of your thumb smoothly down your side and around your grip or are you diving at your holster from further away form you body? Those are just some thoughts. Figure out the best/smoothest way and work it from there. Don't try for speed but rather to be slow, smooth, and perfect each time. Speed will come.
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