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April 2nd, 2007 02:08 PM
Do not be afraid to respond...
I know this is an issue that has been beaten to death, but I would like to beat it some more from a different perspective. I carry w/o one in the chamber...there, I said it!!! I know in threads past that people like me have been called idoits and it has been said that we shouldnt carry, etc. I know the idea of having one in the chamber is that you will not have enough time to rack the slide in most situations. I also know that most agencies (cops, federal, etc.) always carry w/one in the chamber. But waht about the military? Even in Iraq, in most situations, we carry locked and loaded (condition yellow) and are trained to rack a round when necessary. I guess my question is...am I the only one in here who carries in such a way? Or are we all afraid to post such a statement for fear of ridicule, I hope so. If I am the only one I will have to find another forum Im sure!! Thanks and God bless, Mike.
April 2nd, 2007 02:14 PM
Weeelll. I'm not going to flame you- the choice is yours. The only thing I can say is that I make sure my spare tire is adequately inflated. It really sucks having to walk to the service station, to air it up, then walk back. Hey, you might get lucky and blow-out next to an open gas station. Odds are, you won't. My thinking is, if you need it, you need it then & there. You can take the comparison for what its worth (consequences may vary).
April 2nd, 2007 02:20 PM
Its a matter of personal preference.
As an instructor I recommend carrying one in the chamber. Always.
If you dont feel comfortable with doing that, more training would be recommended.
Try doing a force on force drill sometime with nothing in the chamber and see how you come out. I'd be willing to bet that you will get hit several times before you can rack one in the chamber.
Even so, how you decide to carry is up to you...and it shouldnt be ridiculed. To do so just aint showing good manners....
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April 2nd, 2007 02:21 PM
Eh, sorry... I feel a need to object to the facts listed. Military carry rifles without one in the chamber, because it's not a self-defense weapon. Pistols are 'red', ready to draw and fire.
April 2nd, 2007 02:27 PM
I should hope no one will ridicule you, although some highly opinionated armchair profesional probably will.
If you have made a concious, informed decision that this is best for you, then that is the way you should carry. I like one in the pipe, and feel confident that the risk of my XD accidently discharging is sufficiently small to allow me to carrry this way.
If you are giving yourself this handicap, then you just need to compensate like anyone with any disadvantage does. Remember that you'll need 2 hands to get your gun in play. And remember to be EXTRA alert, because you'll need a wee bit extra notice.
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April 2nd, 2007 02:29 PM
HOLYROLLER are you new to carry concealment? When I first started to carry I was in fear of doing something stupid and then have to pay a very costly price for my action. I carried one in the chamber anyway and the fear just goes away after time and educateing yourself. Please do not leave this forum, there is a lot you can learn from us and I know there is a lot I can learn from you.
April 2nd, 2007 02:33 PM
I wont ridicule you , You are a big boy who has studied enough to be aware of the facts . I will however commend you for being close enough to your higher power to carry this way come what may , and in all honestly suggest that we not only do not need to carry a round in the chamber ( due to havening time to chamber one if needed ) , but do not need to carry at all due to havening the time to go fetch a weapon if needed , besides we can avoid bad areas and bad folks . Most of my friends have never in their adult lives even been in a fistfight much less a shootout after all .
On my word the above is not ridicule , it is an attempt to get to question some assumptions in a humorous manner I mean no dis respect and do in fact commend you on your faith in this matter and others . I dont agree with you but i commend you for the courage to believe and state the belief .
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April 2nd, 2007 02:34 PM
I don't have a problem with how people choose to carry their weapon. I know a gal (former Marine DI) who carries her gun the same way, she said she wants her attacker to hear the racking of a slide before he dies.
We got a good laugh out of that.
My only concern would be if she (or you) needed to operate the gun with one hand. Say, someone grabbed your left arm and was wrestling with you and you needed to draw and fire with just one hand. It's hard (I won't say impossible, because I'm sure it's been done, I've just never heard of it) to rack a slide with one hand.
Or, if you're in a firefight and get hit in the arm and, once again, are left with only one hand with which to operate the weapon.
If you choose to carry that way, you may wish to at least practice and see if you are capable of racking the slide with one hand. I'm encouraged all the time to shoot and practice with one hand, both strong and weak side JUST IN CASE something should happen.
I can see some arguments for carrying without one in the chamber, but it's something I know, personally, I would not be able to do effectively, mostly because I've never trained for it.
April 2nd, 2007 02:36 PM
I'd have to say that you need to do what makes you comfortable. Regardless of what others might think, your the one that has to feel comfortable with it. I might ask you that if you carried a revolver, would you carry it with a chamber empty under the hammer? Sometimes we have to trust mechanical things we can't see... like the brakes on our car. In the end, it's your decision and no one else's.
April 2nd, 2007 02:40 PM
The military in my experience does not chamber for a couple of reasons.
First and foremost, we don't trust them. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of soldiers have at some point witnessed a ND first hand. Soldiers typically do not have vast amounts of firearms training and experience. The average soldier shoots far less than the average gun enthusiast.
Next issue: engagement ranges. An army engages the enemy at the maximum possible range. 150-250 yards is typical for a rifleman; 500-800 for a sniper; 3000 for a Bradley; who knows how far the artillery can go. chambering from behind cover while the enemy is still 500-1000 yards away is not a significant combat inhibitor.
It's an entirely different set of rules when the range is 10 yards and under and the enemy appears with no warning (much more likely in a self defense situation)
Last thought: the military adjusts it's weapons' condition based upon the situation. When contact is expected, lock and load. When back at the base camp, green and clear. For me if it's on my hip, condition 1. If it's on the night stand, condition 3.
April 2nd, 2007 02:43 PM
Not ridicule, but some food for thought.....
Posted on Mon, Apr. 02, 2007
BRIAN LEWIS was leaving his apartment, heading to a gig as a disc jockey in January 2005, when three guys jumped him.
Two of them pulled pistols.
The men wanted his gear, including two CD mixers worth $499 each.
They also wanted Lewis to turn around and go back inside his house with them.
What the robbers didn't know was that Lewis had a gun, and a permit to carry it.
Lewis reached for his gun, telling the robbers he was pulling out the key to his door.
Lewis aimed across his body, drawing a bead on the head of one man aiming a pistol at his back.
The gun was loaded, but there was no bullet in the chamber.
The two robbers heard the pistol's dry fire and blasted away, shooting Lewis in the back.....
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April 2nd, 2007 02:46 PM
Let me start off by saying that I am not a proponent of carrying with an empty chamber. However, it is quite possible (in fact, fairly easy) to rack the slide one handed. Indeed, operating the slide with one hand is part of a one-handed malfunction clearence drill, and something we should all practice from time to time. There are a couple of methods, I think the easiest way is to hook the rear sight on top of your belt and push the gun downward. Once the slide goes all the way back, the rear sight will pop off the belt and the slide will go forward.
Originally Posted by limatunes
While it is possible to cycle the slide one-handed, it's certainly not something I'd want to do while struggling with an attacker, which is why I carry with one in the chamber.
April 2nd, 2007 02:51 PM
I had the same mindset when I first started to CC. I carried with the slide racked and safety on, just no round in the chamber and found that normal handling and using caused no AD issues.
From then on fully loaded and no worries. No harm in asking, If you weren't taking it seriously then there would be a problem.
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April 2nd, 2007 02:59 PM
April 2nd, 2007 03:11 PM
My question would be what type of pistol do you carry? As well, did you have an incident that has shaped your decision to carry w/o one in the tube? Depending on the answers to these questions maybe a change in your EDC might be in order. In my humble opinion an unloaded weapon is about as useful as Rosie O'donnell.
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