Ohio liquor establishments?
This is a discussion on Ohio liquor establishments? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Does any one know if grocery stores in Ohio with liquor licenses are "class D" licenses or not?
The only info I can find from ...
April 3rd, 2007 11:48 AM
Ohio liquor establishments?
Does any one know if grocery stores in Ohio with liquor licenses are "class D" licenses or not?
The only info I can find from the state says
"Premises that dispense liquor. Concealed firearms are also banned
in a room or arena in which liquor is dispensed for which a class D
permit has been issued. A class D permit is generally issued to an
establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. Be
certain of the type of permit and whether liquor is being dispensed
before you enter with a concealed handgun." (emphasis mine)
I asked a local store owner about why he posted a no fire arms sign and he was not even aware that it had been posted. He assumed that his manager posted it because it was sent with their liquor license.
He personally said "You're welcome to carry in my store" but I want to make sure that he is not mandated by ATF to post. His is the only grocery store in the area posted. (all sell beer and wine, most sell liquor)
We had a rather long conversation about the pros and cons of CCW.
He is pro 2nd amendment and believes that crime rates decrease when private citizens are armed.
April 3rd, 2007 11:53 AM
Thats a good man. we need more like him.
April 3rd, 2007 12:24 PM
Sounds like a fine point to me but the letter of the law says "dispenses" alcohol - not sells alcohol.
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April 3rd, 2007 12:41 PM
You cannot carry if it is sold for on site consumption.
April 3rd, 2007 12:46 PM
My understanding is a class "D" sells for consumption on premesis, like your bold area says. THis is restaurants, bars, church festivals ect..., you can not crack open a cold one in line at the grocery, so it is not for consumption on premesis, just like you can carry in your local gas and go that sells beer. If it just sells beer and wine, then you are ok as long as not otherwise posted (IANAL).
Where it gets hard to establish the line is that in Ohio liqour must be sold from a State Liqour Agency outlet, which are run by a subdivision of the state, so you can not carry into those as far as I understand it.
Your best bet is to consult a lawyer or contact the State's Attorney General's office and try to get an answer from them.
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April 3rd, 2007 12:48 PM
My experience in Ohio is that Class D licenses are for restaurants that serve liquor or in bars/lounges.
IMO, it's legal to carry in grocery stores. The only exception might be where wine tasting is being done within the store; and I don't believe they have require a class D license for that.
Of course, this opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Here's the ORC that I used to come to the above conclusion:
(A) No person shall possess a firearm in any room in which liquor is being dispensed in premises for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code or in an open air arena for which a permit of that nature has been issued.
(B) (1) This section does not apply to officers, agents, or employees of this or any other state or the United States, or to law enforcement officers, authorized to carry firearms, and acting within the scope of their duties.
(2) This section does not apply to any room used for the accommodation of guests of a hotel, as defined in section 4301.01 of the Revised Code.
April 3rd, 2007 02:34 PM
Thanks for the replies!
Upon further research, I agree with buckeye07 and OldMick.
I told the Store owner what I had found, That if his license was not class D and he was not a state run liquor agent he probably did not have to post "no fire arms" if he did not want to. I told him that he should look into it further and he said "Nope, thats good enough for me" and took the sign down.
April 3rd, 2007 03:29 PM
Congrats luvmy40 - well done!
April 3rd, 2007 10:50 PM
If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.
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