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    I have family in Northern Ky that commute to Cinci. I'd recommend that way too. :) Granted, I'm biased against the buckeyes.
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    Well, others have covered this pretty well. There must have been more to the story or the police were hyper-sensative as I don't see what the guy did from what little told. If he was carrying in a pocket sans holster maybe some kind of safety violation but I don't know about that.

    Ohio in general is split half red, half blue (does that make us purple?) with the divide mainly between city/rural peoples. Things have actually gotten a little better with the changes that went into effect last month and hopefully we will be able to make more improvements as time goes on. My one instance with a OHP was good.
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    It's the Perkins cops. I used to spend alot of time in Sandusky. The Perkins PD has always kind of tough. I do have to say when somebody says "man with a gun," I understand the police taking control of the situation. They don't know, but when it's all sorted out and the "man with a gun" is exonerated, the caller should be cited for exciting panic. Yeh, right. That'll never happen.

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    Even if the guy was careless, being arrested is way over the top! That's excessive use of Police powers!
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    ==> The most gun friendly areas are the northern/eastern suburbs, Butler, Warren and Clermont counties.

    I've been in Cinci area (less a few years traveling the world for the Army) for near 30 years. Had guns the whole time. We've lately (5 years ago) moved a bit farther out (Brown County). Wow. Out here you're weird if you don't have a gun hanging on every wall of the house (next to the mounted deer heads), in the pickup truck, and have two or three on your person with your CCW. Very gun friendly out in Brown County -- we're about 40-50 miles from downtown Cincy.

    I've never had a problem anywhere I lived. I've lived up North (Springdale, Fairfield, Hamiltucky) -- In fact, I took my required CCW courses from the classes offered at the Hamilton PD (great class, guys -- thanks), I've lived out East (Anderson, Batavia, Amelia) and down in town (Clifton/Corryville).

    The only place I've had an issue is the Clifton/Corryville area -- I was in school at the time (U.C.) and guns were absolutely verboten on campus.

    Other than that, I've never really had an issue with guns. Sure, there's always the "What do *you* need a gun for?!?!" folks -- but you'll get those no matter where you live.

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    the newspaper must have missed something...

    it is not legal to carry in a automobile console under the current law unless it meets the strict requirements set forth in the recently changed law... e.g. the console is a "glovebox" and is "locked" - unless someone wants to be the test case to get more clarity in the law...

    this article makes it sound like it was on the dash or in a shelf on the dash - not a lawful means of transport in Ohio...

    if he was carrying on his person, in a car, without a holster - guilty
    (my "clip-draw" does not qualify as a holster either)

    if he was carrying in his glove box, and it was NOT locked - guilty

    if he had contact with it - in the car, in the presence of the officer - felony in Ohio

    can't wait to get more facts...

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    I think someone over-reacted. If it was in his pocket the whole time and his shirt blew up or something and exposed the handle - Big Stinking Deal. As long as he wasn't handling it in the open shouldn't have been a problem. My 2 cents anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    Sixto, would you consider Medina a gun friendly place? I think that is where we plan to live when we move to Ohio in a few years.
    The (current) Sheriff of Medina is one of the few (if not only) Sheriff's that speaks at CCW classes. He and his dept are very gun friendly, though he has his own thoughts on car carry, such as he doesn't want you to just throw your gun in the glove box and lock it, would rather it be in a case or holster if it's going to be in the glove box and secure it in a lock box/car safe if you're going into some place you can't carry it (his whole point is actually, you should really keep it on you if you're going to carry).

    Also I would bet this guy got arrested because he just threw the gun in the glove box but didn't lock it (as dumb as it is, it's against the law in OH).

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    Update?

    I know its not likely, but has anyone, in the area possibly , heard anything on the outcome of this?
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    If Fearing was a smart man, he'd have kept his mouth shut during the incident.

    If the police arrive at a scene where someone called to report a man carrying a gun visibly, and they find the gun in the console of his car as reported, how can a prosecutor prove that the gun was ever out of the console? (Is the console a legal place for a CCWer to have the gun, in that state?)

    What I'm saying is that don't the police have to witness something like that because of the fact that anyone can just say they saw the guy do x, y or z with his gun?

    If you know that someone has a gun and can provide a general description of it (even a vague one, like, "It was a black semi-auto"), you could make a heap of trouble for that person by claiming, falsely, that he took it out and pointed it at you. How can he prove he did not?

    Well, how can the cops prove that Fearing ever had the gun anywhere but where they found it?

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    I agree a warning would be in order here. This seems like a bad arrest, unless there is more to it. Unfortunately, it will have to go to court where he will then be exonerated.
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    The devil is always in the details. To be seen with a gun at a gas station??? Give me a break!!! Might as well have been seen at a convenience store. These are high crime targets. Perhaps the police over reacted, but who's to blame them? For all we know the people at the gas station have had a few unpleasant experiences in the past.
    Not a good time or PLACE to be that careless.

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    The case was dismissed in court but now the prosecutor is taking it to the grand jury. That was several weeks ago and I haven't heard if anything came of that.

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    +1 Concealed MEANS concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR D View Post
    the newspaper must have missed something...

    it is not legal to carry in a automobile console under the current law unless it meets the strict requirements set forth in the recently changed law... e.g. the console is a "glovebox" and is "locked" - unless someone wants to be the test case to get more clarity in the law...

    this article makes it sound like it was on the dash or in a shelf on the dash - not a lawful means of transport in Ohio...

    if he was carrying on his person, in a car, without a holster - guilty
    (my "clip-draw" does not qualify as a holster either)

    if he was carrying in his glove box, and it was NOT locked - guilty

    if he had contact with it - in the car, in the presence of the officer - felony in Ohio

    can't wait to get more facts...
    But someone posted this, ostensibly taken from the revised statute:

    The loaded handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container
    that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism
    with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover, or closing mechanism
    must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun
    , or
    The loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed,
    locked glove compartment or in a case that is locked.
    If this is true, it would seem that as long as the "container" latches in some way, it's legal.

    This comports with Florida law, as well. In fact, in Florida, people can legally keep a loaded gun in a console or glove compartment even if they do not have a concealed weapon license.

    So I would ask, are you sure of your statement? It is at odds with what someone else posted.

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