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    and why isn't the Reverend Jessy has not came out on the side against the DC and Chicago Gun bans?
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    Can't Talk About Race and Gun Crimes

    without being called a "racist." Stats prove that cities with highest minority populations have the most violent crime. Jared Taylor of American Rennisance speaks openly about it and is harrassed as a "racist."
    http://www.amren.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig P239 View Post
    I read articles on this topic before. Very accurate.

    Gun control was originally intended to keep guns out of the hands of freed slaves. Then, to keep them away from the blacks in the civil rights movement. Now, meant to keep them out of the hands of the people who need them the most, those who are below the poverty line and have to live in rough areas and need to protect themselves from the gang thugs and drug dealers that would prey on them.

    All of this gun control by the way, especially when it was meant to keep the guns away from slaves and civil rights fighters was perpetrated by DEMOCRATS. Always has been the Dems who would deny people their rights.

    I find it interesting and sad that the Dems were the party fighting to keep slavery legal and to deny civil rights to the black population in the 50's and 60's and yet somehow they have morphed themselves into the party that the very people they were trying to keep under their heel believe have always stood up for them! Ab Lincoln was a Republican for goodness sake. How did that happen?
    The blacks have been "fans" of the Modern Day Demorcrats for the past few decades is because of the exodus of the "Dixiecrats" (Southern Demorcrats) to the Republican Party. That pretty much sealed the deal. You're absolutely right the Demorcrats of old were the Strom Thurmond's and George Wallace's of the world, and you're right they didn't want weapons in the hands of blacks or for blacks to drink from the same waterfountain as them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBozo View Post
    in the cities of Deetroit, Baltimore, D.C. and you will undertand why gun control SHOULD affect people of color more.
    Explain please......

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    Paved with Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America. - book reviews
    National Review, Jan 18, 1993 by Peter Brimelow


    Paved with Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, by Jared Taylor (Carroll & Graf,, 416 pp., $22.95)

    WAS THE MUGGER black?" asked my wife sympathetically. As a Canadian newly arrived in Manhattan, she honestly didn't know that you must never ask. Her hostess, caught off balance in mid crime story, admitted that he was. Then she hurriedly covered herself: of course, she said, this meant nothing.

    Besides being a Canadian, however, my wife was and still is in some respects invincibly innocent. And now she was really puzzled. "But aren't most muggers in New York black?" she inquired. Her hostess was outraged. "I don't believe that," she snapped.

    The single greatest strength of Jared Taylor's Paved with Good Intentions is its massive and merciless crushing of this type of hysterical denial, which currently paralyzes all discussion of race relations in America. Considered entirely by itself, this achievement makes his book the most important to be published on the subject for many years. In this area, experience shows that it is not enough to be mugged by reality. Footnotes are apparently necessary as well. And Taylor provides 1,339 of them, quarried from a remarkably wide reading of contemporary sources.

    Thus it is indeed true that blacks commit most of New York's violent crime. Even a decade before my wife arrived in Manhattan, by the early 1970s, blacks already made up over 60 per cent of those arrested for violent crime, but only 20 per cent of the city's population. And more recently, for example, black men have been responsible for over 85 per cent of the felonies committed against New York City cabbies, as many as 17 of whom are murdered each year. Nationwide, blacks-- although only 12 per cent of the population-account for 64 per cent of all violent-crime arrests and 71 per cent of all robbery arrests.

    But isn't this because the police are racist? Apparently not. Taylor hunts down and extirpates all such infinitely regressing excuses, which have for too long substituted for thought in American political discourse. In this case, for example, he proves via a closely reasoned analysis, based on witness reports and arrest patterns for burglaries, traffic violations, and drunkenness, that policemen of all races are, if anything, more lenient with criminals of a different race from themselves. (Which, of course, is just what you would expect, given current political pressures.)

    Nor is the disparity caused by middle-class law enforcers over-concentrating on street crime. In 1990, blacks were nearly three times as likely as whites to be arrested for white-collar crimes such as forgery, counterfeiting, and embezzlement. And, finally and conclusively, blacks themselves are responsible for 73 per cent of all justified, self-defense killings. The vast majority of the people they kill are other blacks.

    A fascinating Orwellian double-think enabled my wife's hostess to evade this reality--although in her conduct she certainly took account of it every day on Manhattan's streets. But this double-think is no mere harmless self-delusion. As in 1984, it requires the constant support of an extraordinary censorship and selfcensorship.

    Media bias is a subject that easily becomes boring to sophisticates. But the inversions of truth here documented by Taylor are so extreme as to be pathological. Thus he is able to show that every one of the recent alleged white-racist atrocities--Howard Beach, Bensonhurst, Rodney King-- had black-on-white analogies that went virtually unreported, although often far worse.

    For example, Taylor tracks several years of self-feeding press references to the heinous scandal of a white Stanford student hanging a caricatured blackface Beethoven on the door of a black student (who, as it happens, had insisted Beethoven was black). An entire "campus racism" industry has been called into existence on the strength of such trivia. But who has heard of the four black University of Arizona football players, three of them on scholarships, whose hobby of beating up lone campus whites landed them in jail in 1989?

    Or for that matter of the Miami-based Yahweh cult, whose leader was convicted in 1992 for causing his followers to kill numerous "white devils"--without benefit of even a fraction of the network prime time devoted to endless reruns of the (dishonestly edited) King-beating video.

    This powerful combination of internal and external compulsion is literally able to turn black into white. Thus in 1987 Tawana Brawley, the black teenager who claimed she had been abducted by a white gang, was able, despite the increasing absurdity of her attorneys' allegations, to focus the attention of the entire country on the supposedly grave issue of white-on-black rape. But in fact it was a complete chimera. In 1988, there were fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape--as opposed to 9,405 cases of black-on-white rape. Taylor reports that black men appear three to four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and more than sixty times more likely to rape a white than a white is likely to rape a black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBozo View Post
    without being called a "racist." Stats prove that cities with highest minority populations have the most violent crime. Jared Taylor of American Rennisance speaks openly about it and is harrassed as a "racist."
    That's because, he is a racist, in the guise of an "expert".
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    I agree to an extent but I think that it also tends to be a class distinction and not so much a racial distinction any more; even in KS they make the fees $150 for the license, steep enough that a lot of people decide not to go to the expense of CC. I am of the believe that the powers that be try to limit concealed carry and gun ownership through the use of taxes and fees imposed on both the buyers and sellers. Look at the cost increases of a FFL. Was not the increase a direct bid to limit the number of FFL holders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBozo View Post
    Stats prove that cities with highest minority populations have the most violent crime.
    And many read between the lines to suggest this implies ethnicity drives any of it. When in reality it's far more likely to be simple economics: the ease with which people can feed, clothe, educate and provide security for themselves and their families. If you've got little hope for a good future, you've got little hope for today's outcome ... hence drugs, "shiftless" behavior, criminal behavior ... resulting in the statistics to back claims of racism. A group may well have a characteristic, irrespective of whether others foisted that upon them as a condition (aka, racism). Not to say it doesn't exist, but larger forces are at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBozo View Post
    Paved with Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, by Jared Taylor
    Racist drivel. Discredited when written in 1992, and kept around by groups like New Century Foundation/American Renaissance, which would have been very welcome members of the National Socialist Party. David Duke loves it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Racist drivel. Discredited when written in 1992, and kept around by groups like New Century Foundation/American Renaissance, which would have been very welcome members of the National Socialist Party. David Duke loves it.
    Ditto!!

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    It is very hard to talk about race and crime without coming out like a racist pig. A couple of years ago the Fort Worth Star Telegram newspaper published State of Texas race/crime statistics on its front page while another front page article indicated the racial profiling bills that were in front of the Texas State legislature. Uncanny timing but I suppose those Fort Worth journalists are racists, too!

    Front page of Dallas Morning News today shows a travel advisory put forth for the Texas counties on the Mexico border beacuse of all of the kilings and violence. They are not talking about the Anglos that live in McAllen, Laredo, Browsnville, etc.

    We have to get by our fear of being called a racist and the knee jerk reaction of calling others the same and take an objective look at crime stats. Facts are facts, whatever they are, and I am in hopes that the folks of color will become less apt to be violent in our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBozo View Post
    It is very hard to talk about race and crime without coming out like a racist pig. . . .

    We have to get by our fear of being called a racist and the knee jerk reaction of calling others the same and take an objective look at crime stats. Facts are facts, whatever they are, and I am in hopes that the folks of color will become less apt to be violent in our society.
    If you don't oink racist views and quote racist authors/organizations/websites, you're not likely to be labeled a racist. If it looks like a pig and sounds like a pig and smells like a pig . . . you know the rest, of course.

    Contrast with our Doc Holiday, who presented an excellent, well-researched and well-cited article which contributes to our understanding of firearms laws and issues. Valuable information.
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    How About a Link

    to Doc Holiday's article/book? I'd like to read it. As far as jared Taylor goes, he is a little boring in that most of his stuff ( that I have read, I admit) are numbers and statistics. If they are BS, that is one thing, but one cannot dispute facts. I did look at murder rates in the US and they are certainly not the highest in Salt Lake City, Boise, Jackson Hole, etc.

    Hey, I am open to all information and am new to American Rennisance. I'll follow them more closley now that you have ablsolutely confirmed that it is a "racist" organizaion; if that proves true, I'll dump it.
    I do take exception to a quick name calling session when opposite views are expressed. It ain't fair to get shouted down by others when sensitive issues are raised.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBozo View Post
    to Doc Holiday's article/book? I'd like to read it. As far as jared Taylor goes, he is a little boring in that most of his stuff ( that I have read, I admit) are numbers and statistics. If they are BS, that is one thing, but one cannot dispute facts. I did look at murder rates in the US and they are certainly not the highest in Salt Lake City, Boise, Jackson Hole, etc.

    Hey, I am open to all information and am new to American Rennisance. I'll follow them more closley now that you have ablsolutely confirmed that it is a "racist" organizaion; if that proves true, I'll dump it.
    I do take exception to a quick name calling session when opposite views are expressed. It ain't fair to get shouted down by others when sensitive issues are raised.

    Thanks
    1) Read this whole thread. It will be enlightening to you. Doc Holiday's post is on page 1.

    2) Facts? From Jared Taylor? More like lies, dam lies and statistics.

    3) Yes, it's confirmed. American Renaissance is a racist organization. So you can dump it. Dump others of its ilk, too.

    4) Your exception is noted. You've hardly been shouted down, though. I didn't even use capital letters much. I did resort to bold print a couple of times. Racism, however, along with anti-semitism and other bigotry, deserves to be challenged vociferously whenever it rears its ugly head. The First Amendment guarantees the right to espouse abhorrent views, but doesn't guarantee a friendly response.
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    Thanks for The Direction!

    I'll go the number 1 post and excuse my ignorance. Can you help me out as to what Tayor has said that makes him so bad? SInce we do not know each other, I can take direction from you, but choose not to slam the door on anyone or any organization beasue of just one or a few's opionon.

    I agree that racism should be recognized and dealt openly but so should all of the issues that surround the differences. Like someone opposing giving $10 billion a year to Israel; ok, a legit question and it should be but can't be discussed. Buchanan tried it and they branded him an Anti-semite.

    Any issue surrounding race should be able to be discussed without someone resorting to name calling unless that is what is happening by the other side.

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