editorial after VaTech shooting

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    People don't stop killers. People with guns do

    By GLENN REYNOLDS

    Posted Wednesday, April 18th 2007, 4:00 AM

    On Monday, as the news of the Virginia Tech shootings was unfolding, I went into my advanced constitutional law seminar to find one of my students upset. My student, Tara Wyllie, has a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee, but she isn't allowed to have a weapon on campus. That left her feeling unsafe. "Why couldn't we meet off campus today?" she asked.

    Virginia Tech graduate student Bradford Wiles also has a permit to carry a gun, in Virginia. But on the day of the shootings, he would have been unarmed for the same reason: Like the University of Tennessee, where I teach, Virginia Tech bans guns on campus.

    In The Roanoke Times last year - after another campus incident, when a dangerous escaped inmate was roaming the campus - Wiles wrote that, when his class was evacuated, "Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness. That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself."

    Wiles reported that when he told a professor how he felt, the professor responded that she would have felt safer if he had had a gun, too.

    What's more, she would have been safer. That's how I feel about my student (one of a few I know who have gun carry permits), as well. She's a responsible adult; I trust her not to use her gun improperly, and if something bad happened, I'd want her to be armed because I trust her to respond appropriately, making the rest of us safer.

    Virginia Tech doesn't have that kind of trust in its students (or its faculty, for that matter). Neither does the University of Tennessee. Both think that by making their campuses "gun-free," they'll make people safer, when in fact they're only disarming the people who follow rules, law-abiding people who are no danger at all.

    This merely ensures that the murderers have a free hand. If there were more responsible, armed people on campuses, mass murder would be harder.

    In fact, some mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. Though press accounts downplayed it, the 2002 shooting at Appalachian Law School was stopped when a student retrieved a gun from his car and confronted the shooter. Likewise, Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 fromhis truck and ran to the scene. In February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun.

    Police can't be everywhere, and as incidents from Columbine to Virginia Tech demonstrate, by the time they show up at a mass shooting, it's usually too late. On the other hand, one group of people is, by definition, always on the scene: the victims. Only if they're armed, they may wind up not being victims at all.

    "Gun-free zones" are premised on a fantasy: That murderers will follow rules, and that people like my student, or Bradford Wiles, are a greater danger to those around them than crazed killers like Cho Seung-hui. That's an insult. Sometimes, it's a deadly one.

    Reynolds is Beauchamp Brogan distinguished professor of law at the University of Tennessee. He is the author of the book "An Army of Davids" and blogs at instapundit.com.
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    These are a few of the reasons I'm trying to get my daughter interested in University of Utah, were ccw's are allowed. Although I think the fine in Idaho is maybe $50, it would be better to have her closer to home and still armed --------- I'll pay the damn fine for her.
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    I live in Austin Texas home of University of Texas (the largest university in the world). Texas CHL law forbids carry in schools (to include colleges).

    Yesterday on the way to work a caller on the talk radio called and said his 19 year old daughter has been shooting with him at the range since she was 16 and the week before she started classes at UT he bought her a new 9mm, paid a lawyer a retainer fee and requires his daughter to carry every where she goes on and off campus.

    I know it is the policy of this forum that we do not say good things about breaking the law so I am not suggesting that this guy is right I am just relaying what I heard on the radio.

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    the sooner the federal and state "gun free school zones" are abolished, the sooner administrators, principles, teachers, parents, and college students will be able to defend themselves and stop the people that keep hitting these unarmed defenseless targets
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    ""Gun-free zones" are premised on a fantasy: That murderers will follow rules" .... This says it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    I know it is the policy of this forum that we do not say good things about breaking the law so I am not suggesting that this guy is right I am just relaying what I heard on the radio.
    It's a judgment call for him. Not all laws are good laws.

    But since you pointed out that forum rule, I'm going to go ahead and break it right now just because I feel like it:

    If you live in or visit Tucson, Arizona, I personally advocate that you wear pants if you are a female, or that you get your wife to wear pants if you're a married male.

    Whoops! I just advocated breaking the law! Yes, there's actually a law in Tucson that women cannot wear pants. I haven't checked recently, but I don't think it's been repealed yet.

    Following all laws all the time doesn't make sense, unfortunately.

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    64zebra, which paper ran that editorial?
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    We need a whole bunch of editorials like that!
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    Excellent and well written.
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    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/C..._in_blacksburg

    I was going to put this in a separate thread but thought I'd just put it here. I like Cal Thomas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    64zebra, which paper ran that editorial?
    The New York Daily News
    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/..._with_gun.html

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    I'm trying to get in touch with my state's Representatives over this. By law, not policy, I'm forbidden to carry at school.

    By policy, I'm forbidden to store a firearm at school. The school was unaware of Ohio's Revised Code that allows me to do this, and I now have the blessing of a few officials to do so, as they follow Ohio's Law first, and the University's Policy second.

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    Excellent editorial!!!! Steve48

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    The Law School at the University of Tennessee has had a history of honesty on the Second Amendment. IIRC, the UT Law Review had a very powerful series of articles on the Second Amendment in the 1990s, which may still be available in reprint...it certainly would be available in academic or law libraries. I'd recommend that everyone check it out.

    UT School of Law might be one of the few places where such honesty might be tolerated, but I hope not....

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    The police can't be every where. Most of the time they gather facts after the crime has been commited. This is where ccw can save the day.

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