A request for help, question for the anti's (long)

A request for help, question for the anti's (long)

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    A request for help, question for the anti's (long)

    Please let me know what you think about this letter, I was thinking about sending it to the major networks, and probably the brady bunch just to see what kind of reaction it gets, It's isn't attacking anyone, it's just an atempt to make the think for once.

    Any comments are appreciated, grammer, topic, ect.

    Thanks in advance.

    Why are people so afraid of guns and not cars?

    It is natural for people to fearful of what they do not understand, or have not been introduced to. Often times people that seem strange, or act differently at first, sometimes turn out to be our best friends. Lets look at our relationship with the automobile, it has been said that we see our vehicle as an extension of ourselves, we like our cars, trucks, and sport vehicles. We also are comfortable around them, how much thought do you put to the fact that when you are standing on the curb waiting for the ďwalkĒ light, we are mearly feet from three thousand pound and often much heavier moving objects. Or when we get that ďgoĒ to cross the street, the first vehicles in line as we pass are in their natural state of ready to go, held back only by the drivers contact with the brake peddle. This does not bother us in the least. We have grown used to it from years or riding in cars, watching cars, and even driving cars ourselves.

    But what do we really know about that driver in the car that goes speeding past as we stand on the curb, or the driver anxiously waiting for the green light as we take our turn to pass through that very same intersection. We donít know a darn thing; they could be a priest, a Doctor, our neighbor from the next street over. They could also be a twice convicted rapist, someone with mental health issues, or a pedophile. Yet we walk right past, and donít give it a thought in the world. All this person has to do to change our world forever is to let there foot off the brake, intentionally or not, the deed is done. If they steered the car a little to the right and hit is as we stand on the edge of the curb, intentionally or not, yet we entrust our lives with these people we donít know, never saw before, or will probably never see again. And we donít give it a second thought.

    Statistically speaking, automobile accidents kill more people every year than guns, thatís including justified homicides, when a police officer kills a criminal, or a battered woman kills her abusive partner, that is a Homicide, a justifiable one, but it goes into the same column as a cold blooded murder when looking at deaths related to guns.

    Yet some people will panic at the sight of a gun, even those who have never been touched by any kind of violence in there lives. Why, itís made of metal, and plastic just like the automobile that just passed them within 2 feet at 35 miles an hour. It has no will of its own, and is incapable of action outside of that precipitated by its possessor. Yet it strikes fear into the hearts of millions of people every day. Yet the same argument arises every time an attempt to relax the laws as to where citizens can lawfully carry a concealed gun, the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent. For over ten years we have heard this argument, it hasnít come to be. The reasons are the same as to why there arenít mass road rage incidents on our highways, People understand that their actions bare consequences. If you are cut off by an inconsiderate driver, do you run them off the road, or ram their car. No, you get mad, maybe cuss to yourself, and you get over it. Why. Because you donít want to get into trouble for causing an accident, you donít want to live with the fact that you hurt or killed someone, you also donít want to open yourself to litigation that would surely take everything you own. So why is it so hard to grasp that this same logic applys to the use of a gun?

    Those of us that wish to carry a concealed handgun are not crazy, or looking to kill someone, we are by and large average citizens from all walks of life that want the ability to protect ourselves, we are aware that the government can not, and should not be expected to provide us with 24 hour protection. The courts have time and again proven this fact. We are also not trying to push to have every American armed; it is a choice that each and every person must make for themselves. Itís not for everyone. But please realize that we are not trying to force anything on anyone else, we are simply trying to protect our ability to protect ourselves, and our families.
    "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
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    I think that was FABULOUSLY written... Very well done and I think you should send it to as many "letters to the editor" you can as well as start an email chain.

    If "Send this to 1,000,000,000,000 people in six seconds or you'll burn in hell while being forced to fry adorable kittens" emails can circulate around the world seven time, why can't something like this?

    Bravo!

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    I've read it over twice... I was looking for something wrong... anything. I cant find anything. I like it. Send it off, please.
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    Good read.
    I highlighted some typos and spelling.



    Why are people so afraid of guns and not cars?

    It is natural for people to fearful of what they do not understand, or have not been introduced to. Often times people that seem strange, or act differently at first, sometimes turn out to be our best friends. Lets look at our relationship with the automobile, it has been said that we see our vehicle as an extension of ourselves, we like our cars, trucks, and sport vehicles. We also are comfortable around them, how much thought do you put to the fact that when you are standing on the curb waiting for the ďwalkĒ light, we are merely feet from three thousand pounds and often much heavier moving objects. Or when we get that ďgoĒ to cross the street, the first vehicles in line as we pass are in their natural state of ready to go, held back only by the drivers contact with the brake peddle. This does not bother us in the least. We have grown used to it from years or riding in cars, watching cars, and even driving cars ourselves.

    But what do we really know about that driver in the car that goes speeding past as we stand on the curb, or the driver anxiously waiting for the green light as we take our turn to pass through that very same intersection. We donít know a darn thing; they could be a priest, a Doctor, our neighbor from the next street over. They could also be a twice convicted rapist, someone with mental health issues, or a pedophile. Yet we walk right past, and donít give it a thought in the world. All this person has to do to change our world forever is to let their foot off the brake, intentionally or not, the deed is done. If they steered the car a little to the right and hit is as we stand on the edge of the curb, intentionally or not, yet we entrust our lives with these people we donít know, never saw before, or will probably never see again. And we donít give it a second thought.

    Statistically speaking, automobile accidents kill more people every year than guns, thatís including justified homicides, when a police officer kills a criminal, or a battered woman kills her abusive partner, that is a Homicide, a justifiable one, but it goes into the same column as a cold blooded murder when looking at deaths related to guns.

    Yet some people will panic at the sight of a gun, even those who have never been touched by any kind of violence in there lives. Why, itís made of metal, and plastic just like the automobile that just passed them within 2 feet at 35 miles an hour. It has no will of its own, and is incapable of action outside of that precipitated by its possessor. Yet it strikes fear into the hearts of millions of people every day. Yet the same argument arises every time an attempt to relax the laws as to where citizens can lawfully carry a concealed gun, the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent. For over ten years we have heard this argument, it hasnít come to be. The reasons are the same as to why there arenít mass road rage incidents on our highways, People understand that their actions bare consequences. If you are cut off by an inconsiderate driver, do you run them off the road, or ram their car. No, you get mad, maybe cuss to yourself, and you get over it. Why. Because you donít want to get into trouble for causing an accident, you donít want to live with the fact that you hurt or killed someone, you also donít want to open yourself to litigation that would surely take everything you own. So why is it so hard to grasp that this same logic applies to the use of a gun?

    Those of us that wish to carry a concealed handgun are not crazy, or looking to kill someone, we are by and large average citizens from all walks of life that want the ability to protect ourselves, we are aware that the government can not, and should not be expected to provide us with 24 hour protection. The courts have time and again proven this fact. We are also not trying to push to have every American armed; it is a choice that each and every person must make for themselves. Itís not for everyone. But please realize that we are not trying to force anything on anyone else, we are simply trying to protect our ability to protect ourselves, and our families.

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    Thanks guys, and gals. Thanks Whirlwind, I'm no good at spelling ,and spell check can't catch the correct spelling of the wrong word.

    It'll be going out today.

    Thanks again.

    I'll post any replies if I get any.
    Last edited by 4my sons; April 19th, 2007 at 11:40 AM. Reason: spelling, see what I'm talking about. LOL
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    GREAT, nicely done.

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    A few more corrections in bold below (and one word choice suggestion).

    Nice work.




    Why are people so afraid of guns and not cars?

    It is natural for people to fearful of what they do not understand, or have not been introduced to. Often times people that seem strange, or act differently at first, sometimes turn out to be our best friends. Lets look at our relationship with the automobile, it has been said that we see our vehicle as an extension of ourselves, we like our cars, trucks, and sport vehicles. We also are comfortable around them, how much thought do you put to the fact that when you are standing on the curb waiting for the ďwalkĒ light, we are merely feet from three thousand pounds and often much heavier moving objects. Or when we get that ďgoĒ to cross the street, the first vehicles in line as we pass are in their natural state of ready to go, held back only by the drivers contact with the brake PEDAL. This does not bother us in the least. We have grown used to it from years or riding in cars, watching cars, and even driving cars ourselves.

    But what do we really know about that driver in the car that goes speeding past as we stand on the curb, or the driver anxiously waiting for the green light as we take our turn to pass through that very same intersection. We donít know a darn thing; they could be a priest, a Doctor, our neighbor from the next street over. They could also be a twice convicted rapist, someone with mental health issues, or a pedophile. Yet we walk right past, and donít give it a thought in the world. All this person has to do to change our world forever is to let their foot off the brake, intentionally or not, the deed is done. If they steered the car a little to the right and hit is as we stand on the edge of the curb, intentionally or not, yet we entrust our lives with these people we donít know, never saw before, or will probably never see again. And we donít give it a second thought.

    Statistically speaking, automobile accidents kill more people every year than guns, thatís including justified homicides, when a police officer kills a criminal, or a battered woman kills her abusive partner, that is a Homicide, a justifiable one, but it goes into the same column as a cold blooded murder when looking at deaths related to guns.

    Yet some people will panic at the sight of a gun, even those who have never been touched by any kind of violence in there lives. Why, itís made of metal, and plastic just like the automobile that just passed them within 2 feet at 35 miles an hour. It has no will of its own, and is incapable of action outside of that precipitated (INITIATED?) by its possessor. Yet it strikes fear into the hearts of millions of people every day. Yet the same argument arises every time an attempt to relax the laws as to where citizens can lawfully carry a concealed gun, the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent. For over ten years we have heard this argument, it hasnít come to be. The reasons are the same as to why there arenít mass road rage incidents on our highways, People understand that their actions BEAR consequences. If you are cut off by an inconsiderate driver, do you run them off the road, or ram their car. No, you get mad, maybe cuss to yourself, and you get over it. Why. Because you donít want to get into trouble for causing an accident, you donít want to live with the fact that you hurt or killed someone, you also donít want to open yourself to litigation that would surely take everything you own. So why is it so hard to grasp that this same logic applies to the use of a gun?

    Those of us that wish to carry a concealed handgun are not crazy, or looking to kill someone, we are by and large average citizens from all walks of life that want the ability to protect ourselves, we are aware that the government can not, and should not be expected to provide us with 24 hour protection. The courts have time and again proven this fact. We are also not trying to push to have every American armed; it is a choice that each and every person must make for themselves. Itís not for everyone. But please realize that we are not trying to force anything on anyone else, we are simply trying to protect our ability to protect ourselves, and our families.

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    One other nitpicking thing:

    It's not ' Why. ', but Why? You're asking a question

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    Hope you don't mind a few more recommendations. If you have time and have someone very good a punctuation, I would have them help edit your well written letter.



    Why are people so afraid of guns and not cars?

    It is natural for people to be fearful of what they do not understand, or have not been introduced to. Often times people that seem strange, or act differently at first, sometimes turn out to be our best friends. Lets look at our relationship with the automobile. It has been said that we see our vehicle as an extension of ourselves; we like our cars, trucks, and sport vehicles. We also are comfortable around them, how much thought do you put to the fact that when you are standing on the curb waiting for the ďwalkĒ light, we are merely feet from three thousand pounds and often much heavier moving objects. Or when we get that ďgoĒ to cross the street, the first vehicles in line as we pass are in their natural state of ready to go, held back only by the drivers contact with the brake PEDAL. This does not bother us in the least. We have grown used to it from years or riding in cars, watching cars, and even driving cars ourselves.

    But what do we really know about that driver in the car that goes speeding past as we stand on the curb, or the driver anxiously waiting for the green light as we take our turn to pass through that very same intersection. We donít know a darn thing; they could be a priest, a Doctor, our neighbor from the next street over. They could also be a twice convicted rapist, someone with mental health issues, or a pedophile. Yet we walk right past, and donít give it a thought in the world. All this person has to do to change our world forever is to let their foot off the brake, intentionally or not, the deed is done. If they steered the car a little to the right and hit is as we stand on the edge of the curb, intentionally or not, yet we entrust our lives with these people we donít know, never saw before, or will probably never see again. And we donít give it a second thought.

    Statistically speaking, automobile accidents kill more people every year than guns, thatís including justified homicides, when a police officer kills a criminal, or a battered woman kills her abusive partner, that is a Homicide, a justifiable one, but it goes into the same column as a cold blooded murder when looking at deaths related to guns.

    Yet some people will panic at the sight of a gun, even those who have never been touched by any kind of violence in there lives. Why, itís made of metal, and plastic just like the automobile that just passed them within 2 feet at 35 miles an hour. It has no will of its own, and is incapable of action outside of that precipitated (INITIATED?) by its possessor. Yet it strikes fear into the hearts of millions of people every day. Yet the same argument arises every time an attempt to relax the laws as to where citizens can lawfully carry a concealed gun, the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent. For over ten years we have heard this argument, it hasnít come to be. The reasons are the same as to why there arenít mass road rage incidents on our highways, People understand that their actions BEAR consequences. If you are cut off by an inconsiderate driver, do you run them off the road, or ram their car. No, you get mad, maybe cuss to yourself, and you get over it. Why. Because you donít want to get into trouble for causing an accident, you donít want to live with the fact that you hurt or killed someone, you also donít want to open yourself to litigation that would surely take everything you own. So why is it so hard to grasp that this same logic applies to the use of a gun?

    Those of us that wish to carry a concealed handgun are not crazy, or looking to kill someone, we are by and large average citizens from all walks of life that want the ability to protect ourselves. We are aware that the government can not and should not be expected to provide us with 24 hour protection. The courts have time and again proven this fact. We are also not trying to push to have every American armed; it is a choice that each and every person must make for themselves. Itís not for everyone. But please realize that we are not trying to force anything on anyone else, we are simply trying to protect our ability to protect ourselves, and our families.
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    Ask the average person (?) which is most dangerous to children, a gun in the house or a swimming pool in the back yard. Of course it is the pool but the answer will be the gun. You can't win the battle. People who don't like guns and will never like guns have to be part of the calculus of life. They don't have to have reasons or logic. We who are shooters will just have to keep trying. A long letter is less likely published than a short one. (I have over 200 letters published) Also being polite and having good grammar and spelling helps. Keep it up though. You are on the right track.
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    I thought this might help you out in some way shape or form. It's my outline for my English Project. Using analogies to show how somebody/some group of people are 'strange prisoners', referencing Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave". I'm not going to do the whole thing, but rather the end points, as I don't want to bore anybody.

    Homer once said:
    "Better to be the poor servant of a poor master, and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their manner?"

    The desire to graduate and get out of academia lives within nearly every college student; the desire to have their own identity, and to have their own life exists within all of us. Some to different degrees than others, but the will is there. The desire to get out from underneath the control of an administration that we can not alter (at least easily), to provide for ourselves with our choices of what we need or want lives within all of us. Unfortunately, until graduation, we are not the poor servant of a poor master, but rather the poor servant of a rich master. Even then, we are still the poor servant of a rich master as long as we hold a job.

    All of these apply not only to our train of thought, but also to our actions. We heed the word of the administration, follow the student code of conduct, have faith that our miniscule police force can protect us from instant harm, believe that those phones with blue flashing lights will do something, and that those cameras on the tops of our buildings really do some sort of good in our community known as UC.

    In light of the unfortunate instance that occurred in Virginia on Monday, I can only hope that the people that have the power to control our University directly would do something to change our campus. I would hope that they would learn something from tragedies overseas where over 350 people were killed and 700 wounded in one instance at a school. I would hope that they would learn something from reading the paper or listening to the news reports about incidents in the Middle East, America, Britain, and even Australia.

    Unfortunately, we never have learned anything from the tragic loss of life at home or abroad, nor have done anything about it except for call for the wide disarmament of our law-abiding citizens by people from our own government, our neighbors, and even the United Nations (who ironically, enforce their thoughts and wills with...guns!).

    If there is one thing that we should have all learned from the loss of life over the thousands of years since we have made laws, it is that people will break the law, regardless the consequences, and we will be their victims. If not with a gun, with a bomb, if not with a car, then a knife, if not with a club then a hammer, and the list goes on and on.

    Focus on the inanimate object has taken control, while focus on the causation, and the ability of the innocents to defend themselves, is sitting in the trashcan.

    Perhaps a ban on fear would be better than anything else. Without fear, people act, go about their daily lives, and help their friends and neighbors. Isn't that what today's modern American society is missing?

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    that is great I think I would add four words at the very end:

    "and maybe even you!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    that is great I think I would add four words at the very end:

    "and maybe even you!"
    I wouldn't. That's trying to scare somebody into thinking your way, a tactic in my mind, reserved for those who have no argument and no truth to back them.

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    I made pretty much all of the changes and sent it out to ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox News. Not expecting any response, but it wont be because I didn't try. Now maybe the Brady Bunch just to see if they will say anything.
    "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4my son View Post
    I made pretty much all of the changes and sent it out to ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox News. Not expecting any response, but it wont be because I didn't try. Now maybe the Brady Bunch just to see if they will say anything.
    Keep on pushing. There are always those who are going to say it'll never work or you'll never hear back, but you never know for sure until you try. Those who say so, usually have either tried and failed or never tried at all. Thanks for a wonderfully written piece. I hope to see it published somewhere. Good luck.
    The other way to look at it is from the Brady Bunch perspective: "If it saves just one life...".
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

    "Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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