This is a discussion on Teachers comment on carrying within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Steve48 As a School Psychologist and a CCW holder, I am for someone in the school to carry, however, you will never ...
In the case of an elementary or high school, it has to be a teacher or admin., but what gets me is this was a college. Everyone was an adult. You have everybody from 18 year old kids to old farts. You have war vets, LEO's, teachers.... all kinds of people fully capable of taking care of business, yet no one did for whatever reason.
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I've already printed this out. I think I'm gonna post it on my office door:
You can’t shoot me on this campus
This is a gun free campus so I am totally protected
Hence, nothing like the VT tragedy could happen here
Though it makes the point, it also annouces that I'm unarmed - I don't like that!
I'm too young to be this old!
Getting old isn't good for you!
The anti-gun groups have tried to temper the impact of states' advances on CC by having the legislation allowing for CC provide for the "Gun Free Zones" as an emotional, rather than an intellectual, "safety net" for the "feel good" folks.
GFZ's don't work well based on casual observation, but what we need is a concerted effort to develop scientific evidence that GFZ's are a policy failure.
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Crazy....schools and churches...people stacked like fish in barrels....
A detective friend took some courses at a community college in his jurisdiction a few years ago. His department required off-duty carry at the time...and the campus security folks threatened to remove him bodily if he didn't disarm. He chuckled and invited them to "go for it." Then he called the Chief of Police...and the problem went away.
It strikes me as...well...crazy...that some don't even want LEOs armed on campus.
I'm not a teacher...but when it becomes lawful...I will carry at the church...and would as a teacher....
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I have seen studies of the percent of adults in "shall issue" states who obtain a CCW permit, and it is generally in the 2%-3% range. these are the people who have the interest, motivation and skill to obtain the permit and not be disqualified for reasons of age, criminal record or whatever. Most people (97% to 98%) will not obtain a CCW permit, even though they could.
Clearly some of those people in the 2-3% with permits are teachers, but I would bet that teachers are "under-represented" in the group because of the general leftist political bias of teachers in general. And most teachers are prevented by local laws from carrying at work, as we know (with Utah being one exception). So I would be surprised if the percent of teachers who would carry in school, assuming it was legal, would exceed 2%, or 1 in 50.
Nevertheless, that 2% might have some deterrent effect, because a criminal considering a school shooting wouldn't know who they were. And once in awhile one of those 2% would be in a position to stop the attack and save some lives.
So why not do it? If you trust teachers to mold the minds of your children, aren't they also trustworthy enough to CCW in the presence of the children and protect them in an emergency? I certainly think so.
Aren't most Teachers Liberals?
Almost everyone I met is..That answer does not surprise me.
This came up while talking with a techer-friend of mine. Her response was "Teachers snap too." I believe this, and remember my 5th grade class made a game out of trying to make our teacher cry (Sorry, Mrs V).
I still want my kids in a school that has some protection, maybe a solution that some of the antis could stomach would be to have weapons in lockboxes in classrooms. The lockbox would require 2 school employees to open it. Kinda slow, but waaay faster that getting a gun from the car or waiting for the cops.
I agree with the comment "tangle " said about not becoming a teacher to be to watch kids get massacred.
No matter what happens some people just will not arm themselves.
Remember, for the longest time, airline pilots were prohibited from carrying. The Pilots unions and so on resisted, but in the end, logic prevailed, the world did not end, airplanes did not fall from the sky, and terrorists/criminals are second guessing.
Maybe someday, the teachers will come around too.
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